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Asheville NC and Western NC has been destroyed by hurricane Helene and flooding. People are saying the same boring tired things there and sharing the same misinformation.

This is just ordinary weather which happens all the time.

The only thing we can do is pray.

Climate change isn't real

This is dangerous to say things like this because it makes people believe that there's no climate change, and that is ordinary and expected when that's not even remotely true. It's leading people to ignorantly become complacent, not contact their government, and when disasters like hurricanes happen, they don't evacuate because they don't believe it'll be serious.

I started commenting on everything telling people that climate change is causing these issues and got the most unhinged glue-sniffer responses ever like

'this has always been like this' or 'liberal snowflake tears'

and the worst ones are always religious.

'we can't do anything to save our planet, you need to pray. Send your prayers'

God didn't create this issue? We are ruining our planet!

Example 1. We now have to surround hospital in Tampa Florida with a literal fucking wall just for ordinary storms

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFSX8mRS/

@Kevin R. Sullivan:Hurricanes have nothing to do with climate change

Deranged comments like this are very dangerous and spread false misinformation

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 79 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Becoming??? It has been for almost a decade. Anyone else remember the idiocy of flat-earthers??

[–] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The difference is that flat Earth theory people were honestly very few and far between. There were not a whole lot of these people around, but now, it seems like at least a quarter of the population if not more Don't believe in climate change, because if you look at every election in the USA, it's damn close. That means about 40 to 48% of the population honestly believes the bullshit that the far-right conservatives are pushing on them. Just look at Florida if you need any example. Banning books like we are in the 1800s, now they took down information that has the words climate change off of the official state websites, which is extremely dangerous after a major storms have decimated entire towns and cities. And people still won't believe it

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There is no difference, flat-earth was the test. It showed that with little effort duping people online is easy because our educational system does not teach critical thinking.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Critical thinking and how to cross check your sources to verify if something is true are invaluable skills.

I graduated high school in 2006 and we had to learn both of those in order write research papers. I grew up in a blue state, and went to public school. My English teacher also taught us that "anyone can get a book published, or write an article online, so always cross check your sources and make sure they aren't making stuff up."

They taught us those skills so we could write papers for college, but I feel like they're even more important now just for navigating the internet.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The education system can't and won't ever teach "critical thinking" because the point of education is indoctrination and control.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't tell if fascist who wants to religiously indoctrinate their children in isolation, or has legitimate, sane issues.

[–] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

arent they refrencing the famous quote from some guy in the school admin. talking about how school is for training people to be a part of the working class.

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Education is learning critical thinking. People, politics, corpos, etc. use the education system for propaganda and indoctrination. The education isn't how people receive it. It's important to not mix them, otherwise you're already in the indoctrination process.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

From birth we're indoctrinated with lies about everything: cars, environment, nationalism/imperialism, racism, zionism, etc.

Then people act surprised when nobody believes the truth.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

People can't figure our who is in charge and how they profit from this circus.

Do you really expect them to understand mid level topics like cars, environment, nationalism/imperialism, racism, zionism

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I expect basic literacy

[–] funtrek@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Profit driven social media is the problem.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Capitalism is the problem. Profit driven anything is just a symptom.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 2 weeks ago

The regime is the problem... You are focusing on social constructs when what we see if the result of rich peoples actions. They rule us like thisa dn they make profit from it.

As long as humans value a forum, of any description, of any economic structure, someone will find a way to corrupt it. The problem isn't money, the problem is bad actors trying to monopolize your attention. Take away Facebook's profit structure, does that make a bad actor any less likely to want to post misinformation?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I blame profit driven SM only so far as that in an effort to appeal to a wider audience, they have succeeded and now there are even more people online using them so we actually have a closer look at reality and how there's a shitton of people who don't see the reality of climate change anywhere.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

That effort to appeal is by boosting ragebait to get engagement and foster addiction to the platform, in order to sell more ads.

Hence, morons get a bigger megaphone and groupthink takes over. See also the rise of Nazis/nationalism, etc.

Line go up, corpo no care

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, it's a dangerous combination of media/IT illiteracy/incompetence within the general public and profit-driven proprietary social media algorithms that only aim to keep people engaged for the longest time, no matter the content they are being served. And usually, the more extreme the content is, the higher the engagement, the more revenue to be made from serving ads to the users and selling their collected data. This currently leads to a rise of misinformation, anti-scientific thinking, and so on. Which just so happens to align with extreme right-wing ideologies.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This currently leads to a rise of misinformation, anti-scientific thinking, and so on. Which just so happens to align with extreme right-wing ideologies.

It's not some accident that just happens. Fash are actively opposed to science, thrive on misinformation, and so on. And capital supports fascism because it profits.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 16 points 2 weeks ago

My most hated meme people use right now is: "We've had the worst storms/rains/drought/fires of the century every year, that's just how it is."

Bitch if it's the worst of the century every year that means it's getting worse every year! There's no status quo in this!

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The thing with climate change is, like science, it’s true whether you believe it or not. I’ve seen those types of comments as well because I follow some news pages and I honestly don’t even bother engaging. The people who have the time to go on comment sections of news articles like that are never going to be convinced otherwise.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Th evidence is undeniable right now, whether you trust the science or not, the facts are easily observable to the layman.

We have a new summer heat record every year, for at least 10 years.

Hurricanes and severe weather becomes more frequent and more powerdul every year.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Is becoming"..? Where you been bro.

Becoming? Was it ever not?

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

To say that humans don't have an impact on climate change is stupid. To say that climate change isn't real in general is advanced stupid.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't like but do understand being selfish. I don't understand being stupid.

Burning your own house down is stupid, not selfish.

[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

We have always had hurricanes. Is climate change real? Yes. Both are true.