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Openly defending one’s decision not to have children will be prosecuted in Russia. The State Duma, the lower house of the Russian parliament, is preparing a bill under which authorities will impose fines of up to €50,000 ($55,580) for supporting “the refusal to have children.” The measure affects all areas of life — from casual conversation to films and books — and is a serious threat to the Russian feminist movement.

The crackdown on what the Kremlin calls the “childfree” movement will result in fines of up to 400,000 rubles for individuals (around $4,300), 800,000 rubles for civil servants ($8,600), and up to five million rubles ($55,580) for companies or other legal entities. Foreigners will also be deported.

There are thousands of reasons why a person may decide not to have children, but the Cabinet of ministers has asked the State Duma to make only three exceptions to the law: religious reasons, medical reasons or in the case of rape. It also alleges that there is a mass-organized childfree movement, even though the websites on this subject are little more than a curiosity; Russian newspapers cite the existence of groups on VKontakte, the Russian Facebook, which barely have 5,000 members.

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[–] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah, but you put a quarter in their shopping carts guys! What an organized and crime free society guys.

Their subway is super clean guys we can't compete with freedom like that guys.

Guys, Tucker said groceries are cheaper than America, guys. We've been duped into thinking life is OK guys. But also lowering prices in America is also communism guys. Russia has literally the least communist history guys, America is the real Marxist guys.

Trust me guys, American freedom has nothing on Ruzzian freedom guys. All of the benefits with literally 0 drawbacks guys, it's insane how little consequences there are to living in Ruzzia guys.

There's nothing more free than a brutally oppressive police state run by a dictator guys, it's the secret recipe for freedom guys. Trust me bro.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Completely unrelated, but your comment reminded me of this old meme that always cracked me up

[–] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of my ex

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

I noticed how your message addresses guys only.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

- "Do you want kids?"

- "No"

* Gets fined *

It's basically making consent illegal.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is there any comment in Russia that won't get you fined or out of the nearest window?

[–] AtomicHotSauce@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“I want to have Putin’s babies indefinitely.”

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

Not specific enough - straight to gulag via Siberia

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

“I want to have Putin’s babies for as long as he wants me to have his babies.”

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Believe it or not this comment sends you straight to gulag

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

"You WILL provide meat for the grinder!"

[–] hakase@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can't wait to hear the tankie apologetics for this one.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago

"umm akcshually this is a good thing because the US is bad and I'm way too dense to understand that two countries can be bad at the same time and you're fascist if you disagree with me" How about that?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

"The revolution will need future soldiers to fight the imperialist dogs!"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 month ago

Wow, the new superpower race is on to see who can implement The Handmaid's Tale first.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 month ago

I see where JD Vance gets it from

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, how long until the Republicans start calling for this in the US?

[–] 0x815@feddit.org 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They have already done that, just read their Project 2025.

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wait is something like that actually in Project 2025?

[–] femtech@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

The document also proposes linking federal assistance to family-oriented marriage plans calling out the Biden administration for “subsidizing single-motherhood, disincentivizing work, and penalizing marriage.”

Under its family first agenda, federal aid should be used for “policies with those encouraging marriage, work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/how-project-2025-could-affect-women/

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't be suprised if there was

[–] innermeerkat@jlai.lu 20 points 1 month ago

We need more meat to the grind machine

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's like the US and Russia's new competition is who can be more authoritarian.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Cold War 2: the electric boogaloo

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Listen, verbally defending your actions from criticism is just a western plot to sully the great minds in Russia..

You're all just paranoid westoids who are too propagandized to understand how this is a good thing."

-Every tankie reading this article before hearing their own idiotic thoughts and going back to hexbear to have an ego-masturbating championship while being too ignorant to seize the means of their own betterment.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

More meat for the grinder.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

Gotta keep the blood factory running.

"So what's it like living in Russia?" "Oh, I can't complain."

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

religious reasons

I've just remembered. We're all Shakers.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

They put themselves in this position (the government), so I'm not surprised at this... in a convoluted way it is a necessary evil to combat the evil that brought this reality upon themselves.

Thank fuck we dont live in Russia.

[–] Mistic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some important info that is missing:

  1. Proposed legislation is far from being an actual law. It has only once passed the committee (1st stage out of 5), after which got sent to be re-written. Now it's at pre-1st stage.

  2. So far, it has received 2 negative reviews from the administration. First one, from 2022, said it's redundant, and second one, from 2023 that it's... still just as redundant as it was.

  3. 2 out of 3 authors have removed their signatures since the first negative review.

Basically, there's little to no chance this would ever pass. Our "crazy printer" may be insane, but it only does so if there is an ass to lick.

I could even link everything if anybody wants me to. Doubt it won't get removed, but still.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Putin caused a population catastrophe and now is trying hard to fix it lmao

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Gross weirdos, too fragile to even have a conversation without making rational arguments illegal.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Childless couples and single bachelors finally united by one powerful force!....still childless? Okay so basically two guys and a fertile woman united by another guy! Finally the family we all need! Oh. She's already 52? Well, keep trying. That's the spirit!