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[–] protist@mander.xyz 139 points 2 months ago (3 children)

To be clear, if you're at all concerned about maintaining a food budget, even if it's $500/week the billionaire class is still your enemy.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 108 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To be clear, the billionaire class is your enemy

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 38 points 2 months ago (3 children)

To be clear, the 100 million class is also your enemy

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I am always amazed how everyone is so focused on billionaires only

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s just a class that is absolutely exploring people. You can’t become a billionaire without it. You can absolutely become an honest millionaire so it wouldn’t make sense to use that.

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Yeah like there are folks who are worth 10ish million who just bought a house 50ish years ago that gained a lot of value and had dual incomes that saved all their money for retirement.

100 million folks are on THIN ice, but there is probably an author or inventor out there who made something really nice and everyone they worked with was also well taken care of. Most of them are probably garbage, but not all of them have to be. Some famous actors also were well known for making sure everyone got paid what they deserved on set and were very generous.

I just don't see getting to a billion without someone being taken advantage of on the way though.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Lack of understanding of class. Billionaires are just the obscene top of the top of the bourgeoisie and they do excercise disproportional power in the ruling class, but the class war isn't only about them, it's about the system which makes their power possible. For example China also have billionaires, but they aren't even 1/100 of a problem there.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Any billionaire can lose 90% of their wealth and have above 100 million left.

Many can lose 99% and have above 100 million left.

Some can lose 99% and still be billionaires.

The 100 millionaire will still have a million or more left after losing 99%, but that's not "live like hogs in the fat house forever" money at least. It's just "I don't have to worry if I lose my job" money.

A hundredbillionaire can lose 99% of their money and not make any perceptible changes in their lifestyle.

I propose the following:

Gap individual wealth at 50000x the national median annual income. Max wealth anyone in the US could have is, at present, under 2 billion. Other countries will vary, but generally it's plenty enough to motivate people to innovate, but nobody gets to be Bezos or Musk wealthy. Yachts should count towards this wealth gap, at a depreciation rate of 5% a year off the build cost. Primary residence doesn't count unless it's also used for generating income. You get to have one car, regardless of price, that doesn't get counted towards it, and the other ones count at market value. So you can have your classic car that appreciates in price, and a daily driver - without having to worry about the classic car's effect on your wealth limit.

Side effect is that now suddenly rich people near the gap will be a lot more interested in paying better wages to the working class. Why? Because then they'd get to keep more of their money. And to raise the median efficiently, you need to be raising wages for the poorest among us first and foremost.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

To be positively translucent, even someone with $1,000,000 in the bank has 1000x less than the poorest billionaire. For other disturbing facts, see https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

For everyone following along at home: this website is worth a click if you've never seen it before!

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 71 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hell, even if you can easily afford way more than that, you are still closer to the person who can only afford $2 of food a day than a billionaire.

[–] cumcum69@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

The difference between a million and a billion is about a billion

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Ain't that the truth! I'm a lay off and a medical emergency from needing to do this diet.

Billionaires are either an apocalypse or a revolution away from needing to do this.

One of these is much more likely to happen tomorrow than the other.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 40 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Ok but for real tho. The average American severely underestimates how far you can get on rice, beans, lentils and chickpeas.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Serious question, if I live off just that, I end up feeling like absolute garbage. That's even with supplementing it with greens like spinach and some other veggies and vitamin supplements. What am I missing?

Like, macro-wise, I can replace meat and other things, but it doesn't seem to hit the same?

[–] vritrahan@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

Get a blood test. You could have a micronutrient deficiency. It is common to develop either vitamin D, B or iron deficiencies when you cut meat since they just aren't as abundant outside of red meat and organ meat.

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[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Feel free to ask me questions on how to eat on a budget so you can keep your strength up while organizing against those that wish nothing more for you to work until the day you die and own nothing of consequence!

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Man where were you 8 years ago when I ate zero protein because I didn't know it could be cheap. Couldn't afford animal products and was conditioned to believe those were the only viable source of protein.

Btw I'd like to add textured vegetable protein to the list! It's one of my go-tos nowadays.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (6 children)

What about eating people's cats and allegedly ducks as well? Did you know thousands of pets are euthanized each year? That's all just wasted food.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 months ago

"Also, do you really NEED to sleep?"

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

I have a union and still just scraping by. But if I didn't have the union I'd have drowned by now

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago

Plant based whole foods, the fuel of the rebellion!

[–] kielimieli@r-sauna.fi 20 points 2 months ago

I wish I could eat like this - not only for the cost effectiveness, but it'd be better for the environment than meat! Having IBD really sucks. I can only imagine how difficult it is in the US where the medical care is so expensive on top of everything else.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Unionization isn't enough, we need syndicalism. They're like Unions but armed, more organized, more willing to strike and sabotage, and unlike Unions which attempt to hold back the Capitalists Syndicates replace capitalism entirely. Remember, why demand the scraps of the capitalists when we can take the means of production and the complete value of our labor.

Pro life tip: Read theory, join your local socialist or anarchist organization, get involved, strike, sabotage, just make sure to organize

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Hey won't this get us banned... oh right, ML!"

If they bring armed thugs to the strikes, only fair if strikers do as well. Negotiation only happens between parties on equal footing.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Syndicalism is nice, but without a solid analysis of Imperialism it risks taking on a Nationalist character if you're in the Imperial Core. Additionally, if you're in a de-industrialized nation like the United States, worker organization is more difficult along union lines, which is partially why Unions have historically struggled in the United States in recent years.

100% agree on reading theory and joining an org, just wanted to add some caveats.

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That duck is looking pretty tasty right about now.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What's the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean?

spoilerI've never paid to have a garbanzo bean on my face

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just posted this a bit ago:

"Sean Aloysius O'Brien... They fished his body out of the Allegheny river a week before the strike ended. Thirty two bullets he had in him. Or was it thirty four?" -Miles O'brien

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

Mmm, delicious advice duck ... is telling me to eat the rich?
Welp, who am I to question it's wisdom, must be the right thing to do.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I can buy oats and flour on the cheap around here, but chickpeas and dried beans? That's very quickly sounding like $10 a day.

[–] ODGreen@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 months ago

Bruh how? You can get kilograms of dried beans for $10.

It's more expensive for canned beans but for $10 are you eating 5 cans of organic beans a day?

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I feel like since they are mostly water weight, the math doesn't always look great. But let's go through it!

For example: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Russet-Potatoes-10-lb-Bag-Whole/10449951?classType=REGULAR&from=/search

10 pounds of food for $3 sounds great, but in a pound there is only 300 calories about, depending on type/peel/etc. So 3,000 calories for 3 dollars. At $1 per 1000 calories it isn't bad.

But let's compare to this 5 pound bag of flour for 2.38, at 3 cents an ounce:

https://www.walmart.com/search?q=flour

A pound of flour has 1,600 calories. So this bag of flour that is cheaper than the potatoes, has 8000 calories for 2.50. But you'll need to put in some elbow grease to make it edible. Doing a sourdough is probably the cheapest way to do it since all you need is flour, water, salt, and the starter you made using flour, but it is more time intensive. So about 3,200 calories for a dollar.

Rice comes in with a very similar amount of calories, but just a little more expensive at 4 cents an ounce:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Long-Grain-Enriched-Rice-5-lbs/10315395?classType=REGULAR&athbdg=L1600&from=/search

Rice is a bit easier to turn edible though, so the extra dollar might be worth it for a 5 pound bag. 2,400 calories per dollar spent.

Then oatmeal comes in as our most expensive at 7 cents an ounce.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KV4H51G?tag=sacapuntas9-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1

At once again 1600ish calories for a pound of dry oatmeal, it is 1.12 per pound. So it is creeping up closer to the price of potatoes TBH, and if you were super on a budget the oatmeal would be the first to go. But I suppose potatoes aren't "that" much worse than oatmeal. But my thought was oatmeal is good breakfast option so wanted to include it, and the top bit is mostly setup for bottom.

Knowing this stuff is helpful to our daily lives because rich people hate us.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Two tips, one meme.

[–] sentientity@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (19 children)

Every time I cook rice it comes out bad. Tips? I'd like to be able to make edible rice without purchasing an appliance. Movies and history tell me this is possible??

[–] bittersweets@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's possible but the cheapest rice cooker is going to be more consistent than a seasoned pro. I can cook rice fairly well without a cooker but 1 out of 10 times it's awful.

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[–] RalphFurley@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love my Instant Pot. You can probably find used ones now. It makes perfect rice and I use it to make oatmeal from steel cut oats nearly every morning. I also use it to steam vegetables like broccoli, especially potatoes for when I make mashed potatoes.

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[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just get a rice cooker. It's worth it.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cooking rice is a notoriously hard problem (and for that reason I recommend noodles instead) but my tip is:

  • Don't (!) do the 2:1 thing where you mix 2 cups of water with 1 cup of rice. Some of the water will boil off and the ratio will be distorted, except if you close your cooking pot, in which case it begins to foam like crazy and give you something to clean up
  • Do just fill a large pot with lots of water and make it boil; then when it boils add the rice and cook a certain time with the pot open. I've made the best rice this way.
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[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just thinking; maybe if people stop trying to get rid of political target and instead started target billionaires, then maybe, just maybe, the world would be a better place for everyone.

Just thinking.

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess that's the main problem with billionaires, is we didn't pick any of them, and once they're a super billionaire we can't really do much about them.

Oh don't buy their products? They're invested in everything, most food brands are just different names for the same factories. Oracle billionaire? WTF are you going to do to protest Oracle? Politicians we, are supposed to, pick. Billionaires become billionaires generally by being the worst, then there isn't anything we can do about it.

So we need to get the politicians on our side to keep the billionaires in check... or violent revolution. I'm a pacifist so I like the first one more, but if the majority is up for the second one, I'm not gonna say ya'll are wrong.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A bag of dried chickpeas makes for two weeks worth of hummus.

Follow me for more health and finance advice

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did you know that at lemmy, they have special discounts, where you can get two wisdoms for the price of one upvote?

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[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

An arrangement where employees bargain collectively with their employer to have more leverage, usually collecting dues from members to help with things like strikes.

I think it's called a "sindicato" in Portuguese, though in English "syndicate" means something a bit different

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