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    [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I feel it's equally important to point ot that Torvalds recognized his toxic behavior, apologized for it, and took steps to rectify it.

    In an email to the Linux Kernel Mailing List, which also addresses the kernel update of Linux 4.19-rc4, Torvalds writes: "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely."

    "I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    That was seriously admirable. From memory he actually did improve quite a lot after that as well.

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    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah, shouting at your subordinates in public is utter bullshit.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    So is breaking the userspace

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So two wrongs make a right? Or could this have been a civil private email instead? And if civil private conversations aren't working, then it's time to part ways.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    This probably helped others not to make the same mistake

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Of working with Linus? Yes, it probably did.

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    [–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

    I'm really glad you added this, that was pretty awful to read.

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    [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (46 children)

    Not going to touch the general toxicity as it's something Linus has already apologized and worked through with professional help, but I love the attitude when it comes to responsibility.
    Far too often it's easier to blame someone else for error.

    "No this is our problem, and I'm ashamed you're trying to blame someone else for it" is respectable take

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    [–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So I recently had a conversation with some who though Linus Torvalds (kernel) and Linus Sebastian (Linus Tech Tips) was the same person.
    That was a pretty funny and confusing conversation.

    Imagine Torwalds doing reviews of old CPU coolers and completely losing his shit 🀣🀣🀣

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    [–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Ugh, having been on the receiving end, this type of belittlement is the worst, and breeds resentment, factionalism, and a host of other toxic elements in the workplace.

    Irrespective of the validity of his critique, prima donna developers are the worst and I would start looking for jobs elsewhere because programming is already stressful enough, don't want to start worrying about the people.

    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Absolutely awful shit and I would be ashamed for decades if I acted like this to another person.

    Really shows the worst of him here. It's rare that he becomes this toxic and humiliating.

    [–] mindlight@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

    I agree. In a leadership role it's one thing what you say to a person in front of others and a completely different thing what you say when alone with them....

    [–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Like, I get how it's funny, but I would hate to get this kind of shit from someone I respect. Would really mess me up, personally

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

    So publicly, too. People have quit over it.

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    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    I feel like people are overlooking the fact that this is typical early internet behavior lol.

    I get that its the linux kernel mailing list, but I'm pretty sure Linus was way more wild online than in person because that's how public internet forums and IRC used to be like.

    Stallman has also said some equally braindead stuff lol.

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