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For those baffled by Donald Trump’s forays into meandering discourses about electrocution, bacons sales or cannibal killers at his recent political rallies, the former US president had an explanation.

Trump assured supporters in Pennsylvania on Saturday that what might look like incoherent ramblings as he frequently departed from his scripted speech were instead indicators of his brilliance that impressed other great minds.

“I do the weave. You know what the weave is? I’ll talk about, like, nine different things that they all come back brilliantly together. And it’s like friends of mine that are like English professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen,’” he told a bemused audience.

“But the fake news, you know what they say, ‘He rambled.’ It’s not rambling. What you do is you get off a subject to mention another little tidbit, then you get back on to the subject, and you go through this and you do it for two hours, and you don’t even mispronounce one word.”

But, increasingly, many others are not persuaded, including some of his own supporters.

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

The author gets to the crux near the end. Trump supporters don't come to speeches for policy, they come for performance art. That's what they expect from their leaders, because that's what they're trained to expect.

Between American entertainment trying to blur the lines between fantasy/ reality, and 24 hour news networks making everything a big deal the public at large has atrophied critical thinking skills.

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

you go through this and you do it for two hours, and you don’t even mispronounce one word.

This man once mispronounced his own last name.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 7 points 2 months ago

Most elderly people I know take up knitting, but you wanna weave baskets while you ramble incoherently be my guest. Here's your soup. Don't spill it!

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

The ol’ dementia weave.

Sure, sure. Let’s get you to bed grandpa.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Natural born stupidity + narcissism + cocaine abuse + dementia + being surrounded by yes-men = “the weave”

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago

Man, who'da thunk the damn old and clearly mentally unstable candidate cannot, for the life of him, form a coherent reasoning of any single subject? This is clearly a surprise to all

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

“I will tell you, he didn’t know the answer,” he told the crowd. “He said, ‘You know, nobody’s ever asked me that question.’”

Nobody's ever asked that question before because it's a stupid fucking question, not because you're a genius you dumb fucking prick. The person you asked is trying to let you down easy.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

I can forgive the author if they were trying to sneak this story past an editor who would have otherwise vetoed it. There's no question that a person who gives meaningless speeches sucks at communicating. That's definitional. The only question is how messed up their head is, and you can only infer that through their words and actions.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

“Formal Thought Disorder” is a facet of dementia.

How many of these boxes does trump tick where he fails?

Types and examples of disorganized speech

  • Symbolism: pairing of thoughts with the correct meaning
  • Tempo: the fluidity of words and conversation
  • Processing: quality of thought content
  • Continuity: direction of thought and conversation

Examples of specific types of disorganized speech may include:

  • Paralogism: unusual word choice
  • Verbal paraphasia: incorrect word usage
  • Literal paraphasia: disordered sounds or sound sequence in words
  • Neologism: creation of new words
  • Displacement: citing a similar idea but not the correct one
  • Contamination: fusing ideas into one another
  • Accelerated thinking: rapid flow and increased volume of speech
  • Flight of ideas: losing track of where a thought is going
  • Inhibited thinking: slow processing of ideas
  • Alogia: restricted speech and/or inadequate relay of information
  • Circumstantial thinking: inability to determine essential information from unessential
  • Desultory thinking: random topic jumps during conversation
  • Derailment: sudden drop in train of thought
  • Omission: inability to recall a main thought point
  • Overinclusive thinking: conversation limits are never identified
  • Echolalia: repetition of words or phrases
  • Palilalia: fast repetition of words or phrases with decreasing audibility
  • Thought blocking: Sudden gaps in thought for no obvious reason
  • Verbigeration: nonsensical repetition of words
  • Incoherence: complete speech disorganization; “word salad”

https://psychcentral.com/schizophrenia/disorganized-speech

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Here's a great ad that builds on this comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6tfbBKKWmw

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

" you know what they say, 'He rambled. It's not rambling.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

It's not rambling! It's just weaving off topic for a little bit while you're talking and then off of that topic to a third one and so on and then eventually maybe you just drop something so you can go back to the script. Rambling is something completely different, obvs.

[–] Corigan@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Trump TRIES to rebrand. And we reject it and it's unsuccessful....

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

oh I get it, he was just pretending to be stupid.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

“Do the weave”? I wonder if he meant to say “duck and weave”. Like a boxer.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

"Grab 'em by the weave."

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