Stack the fucking court Joe. I don't care if there are 500 Supreme Court Justices.
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Requires an act of congress and elimination of the filibuster. Not possible with the current makeup of the Senate. Need more blue senators, which is hard because California gets the same number of Senators as North Dakota, which has the same population as a small apartment complex in LA.
So we need record turnout for that. Vote.
They had the house, the senate and the white house before the mid terms and they squandered it
Are you talking about the period in which Sinema and Manchin actively sabotaged the agenda of their own party?
What a nice thought, too bad Biden didn’t do anything over two years ago when it would have actually mattered.
Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema already said they weren't going to support that, so what do you suggest the President do without a Senate majority?
Oh then it's okay he didn't even try anything until he realized he was so unpopular people are asking him to step down.
Those two should've been kicked out of the party a long time ago. Both are up for reelection this year and are not running as a democrat.
What would that have solved exactly? Those seats wouldn't have been won by anyone further left anyway. The problem is that North Dakota and California get the same number of Senators, despite the former having literally 50x more people.
Which is why keeping the filibuster has generally been in the best interest of the left, even if it's not ideal right now. I think the Democrats are absolutely fooling themselves if they think the R's will respect the filibuster if it's in their way at this point though.
You don't have to replace them next election with a far left candidate, just one that won't betray the party like those two shit-heads. You run the risk of losing the seat to the GOP but it was half GOP anyways and its worth it to maintain party discipline. Kick two senators out and no other senator is going to risk their career disobeying the party.
Also what this utter nonesense about maintaining the filibuster? It can be removed with a simple majority and the GOP does so whenever they have that majority. Its been that way for decades. Saying "It'd be nice if the GOP kept the filibuster when they were in power so we will keep it when we're in power." is absolute bullshit. Democrats aren't naiive idealists, they just want excuses to not do what their voters want.
Bush full of birds, but our hands are still empty...
Biden had four fucking years to do something, half of that time Dems controlled both House and Senate.
But he doesn't start talking about it till right before the election as a promise for something he'll "look into" in January
It's very disingenuous to say the Democratic party controlled the Senate while having the House majority. The Senate was 48 Democratic, 2 Independents who caucused with the Democratic Senators, and 50 Republicans with the VP casting tie-breakong votes. Very little legislation could be passed because of the filibuster, which needed 51 votes to reform and both Machines and Lineman stating they absolutely would not go along with that. The Senate could approve most nominees, and pass reconciliation (ie 3 types of budget-related bills) once a year. They had no path the expand the court or codify Roe or anything like that with the "majority" they had. We need either 51 Senators who will amend the filibuster (or get rid of it) or 61 Senators to overcome the filibuster to really have the ability to get anything substantial done.
Then why was Biden saying he could work with a Republican controlled Senate 4 years ago?
Why say that the Georgia runoffs would get the whole platform?
What number do we need for any current campaign promises to come true? And if the deciding factor is House and Senate, shouldn't we do ch Biden for a candidate that would help down allot races?
Then why was Biden saying he could work with a Republican controlled Senate 4 years ago?
Probably because he did have a history of bipartisan work as a Senator.
Why say that the Georgia runoffs would get the whole platform?
In 2020? We didn't know yet that Sinema would do a 180 after being elected or that Manchin would be such a dick.
What number do we need for any current campaign promises to come true?
I already addressed that.
And if the deciding factor is House and Senate, shouldn't we do ch Biden for a candidate that would help down allot races?
Anybody who supports the Democratic platform relative to the Republican platform and says they won't vote if Biden is on the ticket is, quite simply, failing our society most egregiously. Protest voting does nothing but lose.
Historically, a contested convention or not running the incumbent is a losing proposition. But I don't care who the Democratic party nominates in this election, I will vote for them up and down the ballot. The presidential nominees are going to be shitty until we can collectively get our heads out of our asses and turn up it overwhelming numbers in the primaries to get progressives in state legislatures to overhaul our election process. It will take a constitutional amendment to unshitify the presidential election.
Probably because he did have a history of bipartisan work as a Senator
Oh ok...
So despite Biden spending 8 years in Obama's White House and getting a literal front row seat...
Biden was just too stupid to realize shit changed?
Or you think he knew and intentionally lied about it in that primary so he'd be the candidate even tho he knew the only reason to go with him was bullshit?
Like, you get that's where your logic leads right?
Biden is either:
- Dumb as shit and if ignorant of modern politics
- He knew what reality was like, but lied to become an ineffectual president on purpose. Not just bad because he put himself over the country, but he did it in the middle of a fascists takeover. Literally, there was a failed insurrection days before he took office.
Neither of those options makes people energized to vote for him again, and this election is too important to risk Joe.
My dude, Biden has had more bipartisan success than Obama did. So I really don't think you have a winning point here.
Like, you get that's where your logic leads right?
No, but I get that it's where you insist on taking it.
Neither of those options makes people energized to vote for him again, and this election is too important to risk Joe.
You have it wrong, this election is too important to risk not voting Democratic regardless if it is Joe. O will vote blue regardless. Will you?
, this election is too important to risk not voting Democratic regardless if it is Joe
There are 10s of millions of voters Biden needs to convince, and every indication is he's not going to be able to convince enough, especially not the tens of thousands up for grabs in battleground states.
It's easier to switch out Biden while there's still time than to convince all those people.
You're worried about forcing everyone into making a smart decision. We're talking about the American public here. We don't have a good track record with that.
So rather than gamble on the intelligence of the American public, why not give them a better candidate?
What's the benefit of sticking with Biden? How many people already willing to vote for Biden isn't voting D regardless of candidate?
You're right that everyone should vote Biden.
But that doesn't matter. The American public does the wrong thing almost constantly, have you been in public lately?
What you don't seem to be understanding is that I'm not arguing for Biden being the nominee. I'm arguing against not voting Democratic in the event the Biden is the nominee:
Anybody who supports the Democratic platform relative to the Republican platform and says they won’t vote if Biden is on the ticket is, quite simply, failing our society most egregiously. Protest voting does nothing but lose.
I'm not objecting to people asking for a better candidate. I'm concerned that those people will fuck over the rest of the country and not vote Democratic if they don't get one.
I’m arguing against not voting Democratic in the event the Biden is the nominee:
To who?
Who are you arguing against?
No one that's here...
I'm arguing with you, because you're out here misplacing blame on Biden for things that are under the purview of Congress and declaring that the Democrats will lose even the down-ballot races if he's the nominee. If you're going to vote Democratic regardless who the nominee is, then please make that statement alongside everything else you're stating. Otherwise you sound like you're going to protest vote if Biden is the nominee.
I’m arguing with you
For something I never said...
This isnt the first you've done it either, I don't think it'll magically become productive. Have a nice life
Yeah, would have loved to see action before now. Still, what specific steps would you rather see this moment?
At least he's talking about it and maybe giving people hope that things could settle the fuck down. Lot of people probably voting against Trump, but would help to have more reasons to vote for Biden
At least he’s talking about it
So noble to bring up things the country desperately needs and he has no intention of working towards
Shits too bad to keep wasting Dem administrations on neoliberals
What specific steps would you like to see Biden take right now?
Use the powers granted to him as president of the United States...
He can just fucking arrest Clarence for acts against the US government and throw his ass in Gitmo
What's the reason not to? You one of those people that think Republicans are holding back so if we fight back they're fight even harder?
They been fighting as hard as they can for decades. And Trump will use every power granted to him (and some that aren't) if he's president.
You don't fight fascism with both hands tied behind your back unless you're not worried about fascism winning...
What was that Biden quote about if he loses the election?
Dems controlled the Senate with the slimmest majority possible. One fucker that owns a coal company was able to tank all meaningful climate bills and there was nothing Biden or anyone else could do about it. You can forget about any progressive policies in that environment, lol. Biden did well with the tools he was given.
Dems controlled the Senate with the slimmest majority possible
And four years ago Biden wouldnt shut up about how only he could work with a Republican Senate.
Long before we dreamed if 50 seats.
As soon as that was on the table, it switched to 50 accomplishes everything. And almost immediately after we got that. Biden said it wasn't enough
Three big goalpost moves in like 6 months, that shit is noticable to voters and some can remember the last election, and not take Biden on his word again.
You’re misplacing the blame, friend
This is like saying we can't criticize the police because criminals are worse...
I love how people blame Biden for shit the racist rapist with 34 felonies did. The amount of mental gymnastics that requires is amazing. Unless you're not a real person and at this point, I kinda hope you're not.
Bruh....
How is it you read something like:
We're not fighting fascists enough
And your take away
That guy likes fascists
Seriously, what steps of logic did you get to thinking I'm a trump supporter?
It's 2024, you can't imagine someone doesn't like Biden but hates trump?
What in the hell are you talking about? Did you respond to the wrong person because you're quoting shit that wasn't in what I replied to. You broken?
How is it you read something like:
I mean, I thought the "like" was a clear signal I was paraphrasing...
But overestimating people is a flaw I openly admit
Not sure why you're getting negative votes. You're right. But Dems still haven't learned that the days of working across party lines is a dream from a bygone era.
Old man dreams.
You can't even get moderates to understand if the best we can do is a tie, it's harder to even manage that.
Anyone that can look at the last 16 years of the party and say with a straight face we're making the right moves isn't worth listening to.
There is absolutely zero benefit to running Hillary/Biden types rather than an Obama type