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[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a slippery slope. First it's either a community they can share anything with, or it is a subject dear to them that they see people give solution to. Then, slowly, one idea at a time, they get litteraly corrupted. Ideas are imprinted through repetition, values are suggested. Then, or before, you imprint the idea that the others are lying. This is key because it seed doubt in everything, but as he is closer from this group, this group get to imprint its own ideas through repetition alone. Distance is built with relatives so that the group is the only group he has. Then if he starts to disagree, he will be kicked, sometimes also punished, and he'll be left alone, or at least he must be convinced of it. Once there radicalisation is a process that's hard to stop.

Doubt, distrust, and a group to be with are the key ingredients. Liberalism is a fertile ground for this because it promotes individualism when humans are social creatures. So it's very easy to find people in need of a social group that gives belonging. And racism makes the easiest pretense : you belong because of your blood, or because you're born here.

For sexism, it's mostly a reactionary backlash, and secondly this liberalism problem of promoting individualism to humans who seek belonging. Feminism did won, and the old way of treating women is being addressed. But it is a process, and while we know what's bad, we don't have much new examples to follow. Yet most people have been trained in the old way, so now they are at lost. It's not the first reason why they're alone, liberalism has this place, but it is far easier to blame it on women and feminism than to try to build a new society. And also, it again gives them belonging with men like them that understands them and give explanations and solutions to their problems. Not good ones, but that's not the point.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok got to ask and if you don't know thats ok....how come it seems females are not in this type of group.? Or is there some and we just don't hear about it? I only bring it up because you kept using he and men so thats what got me wondering...but really want to say thank you for typing all that out and a thought provocing answer....no sarcasm

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[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

There is a lot of good books (or audio books) I could suggest. This has been also a interest in mine. The reasons are different and also the same. Many of the top comments touch on some of the points.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

So there was a town next to where i grew up their claim to fame was that they had a lot of neo nazis. What they basically did was going around and picking up people and outsiders and befriend them, turning them into racists. I think it works like that with a lot of these groups.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You become an incel by not getting laid.

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