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TikTok pledges €12B European investment over 10 years as work on Norwegian data center begins | TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

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[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Out! Out with them!

[+] misk@sopuli.xyz -6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why?

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because their algorithms have a clear negative impact on Europeans mental health and are contributing to the deterioration of democracy? Or because they are thinly veiled front for Chinese intelligence services?

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, those could be harmful. How does location of the data center change that? If anything, it's better to have it in EEA for better oversight, no?

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The data is already processed in Europe, that doesn't change. The fact that they are getting marching orders from the CCP also doesn't. And even if they were Europeans what they are doing should be a crime.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, so no change in terms of legality of the enterprise. Personally I'm in favor of regulating Youtube and Tiktok to the point that they're truly socially responsible and only slightly profitable but that's mostly irrelevant to data center location discussion.

In terms of benefits of investing in data center in Norway I could list:

using renewable energy sources in a location that's very good at those
staying at regulators arms length
jobs

So I think this is good news.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Letting people build a Heroin-Cyanide candy factory would also bring jobs, I still think it should be illegal.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a fair point but it would require outlawing YouTube too.

[–] Nyfure@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One at a time, but comparing A to B, because B is also doing bad things doesnt negate nor justify the impact of A, which in this case, i'd say is worse.
Yes, I believe it is slightly preferable to be under surveillance by an unstable democracy with a history of disregard for other nations laws, than to be monitored by China’s Communist Party, which has previously used such data for oppression and manipulation.

Though i agree and would make, if possible, both responsible for their actions and control over others. And here it also seems, there is more control over the big sea than in Asia, making one marginally better than theother.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Do you truly believe that Google, Meta or other tech giants are not selling your data to CCP if TikTok can supposedly get away with this?

[–] Nyfure@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably depends on who can force who to which extend and gain how much.
I'd argue the US still has the most control, may that be good or bad..

I dont want my data with any of them, so i prefer smaller alternatives, designed to be more secure, but probably also more of a hassle if stuff breaks..
Sadly these giants probably still get plenty of data because they control most of the internet.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Companies usually don't have to be forced into profit.

[–] pixta_test_trowaway@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago

that doesn't make sense

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

China. It all renders down to China.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

fuck them ban em

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Stick ‘em in a stew

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ban YouTube too?

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

mabye YouTube shorts but not really

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How are they different?

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

they don't send data to china but they send data to the nsa (in the usa) so don't use the main YouTube app (i use revanced though)

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So how are they different?

[–] pixta_test_trowaway@ttrpg.network 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

he left you on read because nobody likes dealing with a xi ji ping c*ck sucker

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, great argument there. Definitely shows who's the sane party here.

[–] pixta_test_trowaway@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think the Chinese Communist party is sane but okay, and i came onto lemmy because I was tired of dealing with arguments on Reddit but looks like i have to still deal with pointless arguments

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it's not all bad it's just a few insane people and fake commie instances that are just for insane people

[–] pixta_test_trowaway@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

thanks mate im for sure going to stay on lemmy, but I'll be choosing a different instance for sure we probably won't meet again but who knows!

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

by the way there are 3rd party lemmy apps

[–] pixta_test_trowaway@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago

oh, I'd be sure to check them out, the website is not good but not bad

[–] sv1sjp@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Eastern Europe:it is corruption Nortern Europe: it is just lobbing

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

TikTok says it will spend €12 billion as part of an ongoing push to ingratiate itself with European regulators, with the company beginning work on its previously announced Norwegian data center.

The short-form social video company has been working hard these past few years to convince the world that it’s not beholden to its parent company ByteDance in China, efforts not helped by revelations last year that China-based employees could access data for users in Europe and the U.S.

However, TikTok has made a swathe of commitments that strive to address concerns over its data-harnessing practices in light of Europe’s Digital Services Act (DSA).

The company’s promised €12 billion investment spans the next 10 years, and includes funding not only for three data centers, but ongoing work with a third-party security company called NCC Group which it previously announced would carry out audits on its data controls and practices.

It also revealed plans for a second data center in Ireland, plus a third in the Hamar region of Norway — one that will apparently run on 100% renewable energy.

According to TikTok, it has now taken possession of the first of three buildings at the site, and it will begin installing servers with a view toward migrating European users’ data from next summer.

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