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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

looks like western sponsors of the war might have had enough of Zelensky

It is time for sober reflection. The Ukrainian people deserve leadership focused on practical, achievable objectives, not on grandstanding gestures. While courage and defiance are admirable, they must be tempered with strategic wisdom. The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.

[–] the_wise_wolf@feddit.org 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.

That's just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses? War is more complicated than "just liberate the occupied territory". And while it's true that this counteroffensive has its risks. Everything they do or don't do has its risks.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago

They're suggesting that everything is Zelensky's fault so they can blame him, turn public opinion against him (remember how much everyone thought he was a hero last year), so that when they coup/assassinate him people won't mind.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (23 children)

I think they are just meant Ukraine should stick to the original strategy of prolonging the war no matter what. It's lost either way, but costly losses will finish it faster than daily grind as usual.

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[–] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Death to Amerikkka

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (70 children)

A prolonged incursion into Russia could escalate the conflict, drawing in other nations and potentially leading to a catastrophic global confrontation.

Bit of a joke to write this, isn't it. The one country that is escalating things is Russia. They could have always moved back and have given up and this would all be over. Maybe Ukraine would leave the Russian territory if Russia leaves Ukrainian territory? Not sure that's on the table.

Edit: coming back to all the reactions. Just wow, hilarious.

Edit2: haha, they even come back to monitor edits. Fun times.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you know what escalation means? Russia hasn't escalated shit since it launched the invasion. Each thing Russia has done since the invasion is part of the invasion. They haven't attacked other nations, they haven't embargoed or disrupted trade beyond their own borders, they haven't introduced new weapons platforms, they haven't made attempts to decapitate Ukrainian leadership.

Ukraine and the West are escalating. They've been escalating literally since the end of the Cold War. Each country on the border of Russia that got NATO nuclear sites was an escalation. Each color revolution was an escalation. Each sanction was an escalation. Each call for a no fly zone was an escalation. Each new weapons platform sent to Ukraine was an escalation. Each use of Western military intelligence to coordinate Ukrainian strikes was an escalation. Each time Ukraine struck civilian infrastructure inside Russia was an escalation.

You are using words you hear people say but you don't understand them.

Russia has had one demand since the USSR was dismantled - no NATO operations in Ukraine. When the USA escalated and supported the coup in 2014, Russia escalated and took Crimea. When the fascists in Ukraine escalated and sent paramilitary forces to terrorize and mass murder ethnic Russians, Russia escalated with paramilitary of its own in the region. When Ukraine escalated by pursuing NATO operations in its country and NATO made noise like it might, like when Trump escalated and approved the first weapons shipment to Ukraine in US history, Russia escalated by invading the border region. That's all of Russia's escalatory moves - 1 every 5 years or so. It's Ukraine and the West that have escalated since then. Sanctioning Russia was an escalation. Seizing Russian assets in violation of international law was an escalation. Sending lethal aid each year totalling more than the entire Russian military budget was an escalation. Sending Western intelligence, trainers, and even combatants to harm Russia are all escalatory moves.

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[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The one country that is escalating things is Russia.

This war is literally only happening because of the US and the other countries in NATO. Don't think you should be writing such pithy statements if your understanding of the war is equivalent to a Star Wars plotline.

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