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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It has to be easier to just switch to Linux than it is to do these bypasses

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The bypass is just ticking a box while making the bootdrive to install the OS. If making a bootdrive is too hard, installing linux is probably out of the question.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The install on Linux is easier than Windows

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The bypass thing happens when making the boot drive and is basically the exact same process as Linux. It just asks do you want to bypass it and you click that. If you aren't getting a boot drive, then you can't install it. And making a boot drive is the easiest part of a Linux installation.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don’t remember Diskpart asking that last time I installed Windows but I guess it doesn’t matter anymore

Linux install is just clicking next a bunch, you don’t even need to go into CLI

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Rufus does.

You still have to decide what you are doing with different storage devices and partitions, regardless of what OS you are installing. If you have a single storage device and a single OS, it's probably straight forward. If you add more, it gets more complicated. At least with windows, if it's your only OS, the assumption is you will let it handle everything and it's all just nfst. With Linux, it often seems to want to make all sorts of partitions (at least home, root, and swap? Idr since it's been some time), make decisions about file systems and what type of partition. I rather not leave those choices up to default autopartition options, especially when dualbooting.

[–] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm just using ventoy these days, saving my iso images on the usb key and picking the live image to boot with the menu ventoy kindly provides at boot time

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

Ventoy is cool. Wish clonezilla didn't have issues with images being in the same device as clonezilla, but that's not ventoy's fault. I still just have a windows boot drive lying around since before ventoy, so I forgot to consider that. Granted, I'm not sure how many people who already have ventoy setup and defaults to using it without looking up guides and l wanted to install W11 on an old device for some reason would find it hard to figure out how to do so.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 9 points 3 months ago

That's kind of why I switched. I was spending time and effort trying to force Windows to obey, I decided I might as well spend that time on an OS that wasn't actively fighting against me.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

I got an Ubuntu 5.10 CD rom in them mail, using Linux then was a major decision. In 2016 I moved to a Linux only lifestyle and it was only a little hard. Now everything is web based and nearly every game in my Steam library runs on stock Debian, I would recommend LMDE/Mint/Ubuntu to any PC gamer and even most casual users.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Didn't they have their surprised Pikachu face moment about people not switching to 11 already?

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Microsoft is doing its best to make Year of the Linux Desktop a reality

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Can't thank them enough, honestly. The only thing holding me back is my fear of messing it up when I try to dual boot. I think I'm just hoping I will figure out a good alternative to the exactly one type of software that I need so I don't have to deal with that. I mean really, it's literally just a PDF editor so I know there's an alternative. It just makes me anxious.

Edit: also, it wouldn't let me select the language of my comment. It said this community doesn't allow posts in English. Is that something I messed up or do some communities just not allow it to be specified?

Edit 2: finally finishing up the install now! A few minor hiccups but it was all user error.

[–] cytokine0724@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, I just finished my own search for a good Linux-compatible PDF editor. I wound up choosing Master PDF, which works on both Linux and Windows and has a demo available. It's about $100 for a license which I've very much found worth paying.

... I'm sure that there are also methods out there for getting it to work if you find yourself unable to pay the license cost.

As for dual booting, it's a bit of a learning curve but the software has gotten so much better over the years that I think you'd be easily able to do it. Find some YouTube videos if you feel anxious or if you have specific or unusual needs in your setup and just go for it!

Edit: but back up your files, just to be safe!

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Sweet! I appreciate it. Going to try the demo and if I'm feeling confident enough with it I'm just gonna get rid of Windows all together.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just back up any important files. I've had to do many reinstallations because of accidentally breaking things.

For pdf software, using wine is an option. It also has been a concern of mine with switching, but it seems the software I've been using (PDFxchange) works fine with wine.

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Got on my laptop today and Microsoft had installed (or reinstalled?) Copilot. I was going to wait til the weekend, but that really motivated me to just do it tonight. Of course Microsoft's backup is not working properly so I have to backup everything folder by folder. Which is annoying. But Microsoft sure knows how to get me to get things done! Thinking of sending them a thank you card.

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Sweet. Thanks! Hopefully I won't have to do too many reinstallations lol

[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 1 points 3 months ago
[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Microsoft business was never meant to convince: it's either forcing their way in by bully OEMs in doing what they want, and make sure Linux isn't an option, like in the ACPI case, or buy successful companies that elude their direct control (or simply buy companies that already won the battle they are fighting, like their desperate attempt to make a success "Microsoft Game Studio" and instead resort to buy Bethesda, Activision etc.)

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

If you've bought or built a new PC within the last eight or so years, then it'll almost certainly have a TPM chip, but the older the hardware, the less likely it'll be present or the right version.

That meant when Windows 11 appeared with its TPM 2.0 requirement, an enormous swathe of perfectly viable PCs were left without the chance to upgrade to the latest version of Windows

Linux people: Linux would never do you dirty like this.

Mac people: Whoa, they let you use EIGHT YEAR OLD hardware? Lucky!

[–] KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also Linux: running in 13 year old apple hardware.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a 16 year old ThinkPad running an NVR server for 4 cameras. It's not happy about it but it works >_<

[–] KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nice, the oldest I have is a netbook from 2008. It still works as a mpd server

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sweet, good application for it.

(I have been looking for a way to selfhost my music collection. Thanks!)

Glad I could help :)

Another way can be module-native-protocol-tcp, which is a module for pulseaudio to accept TCP traffic. I haven't done that myself, but I've seen it working. Maybe it can work even on older machines. The arch wiki has a nice section about it.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My 2012 MBP says otherwise. This thing is a rock and will not stop!

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I highly doubt Mac provides OS update on your 2012 MBP, since I have a 2015 MBP that stopped at El Capitan.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Opencore Legacy Patcher is your friend. My old 2015 MBP ran Sonoma perfectly. My 2014 mini runs it perfectly.

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 2 points 3 months ago

Great, maybe later. I do not like the looks of Sonoma.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

Seriously. I'm running the same version of the same distro on machines manufactured over a decade apart. And even if my distro dropped support for my older machine in its next version, I have 10 years to find a replacement.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But over in the phone world:

Android phone :: two years old? We don't do updates any more. Buy a new phone.

Google/Samsung :: if you buy our expensive range, we can do five years of updates. Isn't that great!

iPhone SE 1st gen :: still going strong with updates after 8 years.

[–] meliante@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Google and Samsung do 7 years now. My OG SE hasn't received an update in a while.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Has it not? I saw one come a week or so ago.

[–] meliante@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I'll check mine🙂

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

My HP Zbook didn't pass the Windows check, it said TPM is wrong version. i ran the HP firmware update to bring TPM chip from 1.2 to 2.0 version. Reran the Windows checker, it now failed it on the CPU (where as previously the CPU was approved). So they are telling me to keep running OpenSUSE :)

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Macs run until you can’t find an installable browser.