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Mozilla adds stupid AI stuff with horrible T&C (lemdro.id)

submitted 3 months ago by astro_ray@lemdro.id to c/firefox@lemmy.ml

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PSA (?): just got this popup in Firefox when i was on an amazon product page. looked into it a bit because it seemed weird and it turns out if you click the big "yes, try it" button, you agree to mandatory binding arbitration with Fakespot and you waive your right to bring a class action lawsuit against them. this is awesome thank you so much mozilla very cool

https://queer.party/@m04/112872517189786676

So, Mozilla adds an AI review features for products you view using Firefox. Other than being very useless, it's T&C are as anti-consumer as it possibly can be. It's like mozilla saying directly "we don't care about your privacy".

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[–] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I hate the anti-pattern of "Not Now". How about "No"?

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Best I can do is accepting three options: "Yes," "No," and "Remind me later."

"Not now" or "No, I don't want this awesome feature" bullshit infuriates me.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, corporate dark patterns really don't respect consent. When would you like to know more: Now, or Later?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Though I don't mind the "accept, deny, ask me again later" for when something seems interesting but I don't want to put the effort into looking into it right at the moment but don't want to click yes without looking into it.

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

didn't the Firefox management say they would focus on their core product rather than random little services like this

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Actually I thought there new ceo said they were going to fuck around with AI stuff.

Edit:

https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/13/mozilla-downsizes-as-it-refocuses-on-firefox-and-ai-read-the-memo/?guccounter=1

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

At this point, I'm glad I switched to Mull on my phone. It took a bit of overcoming the resistance of using Firefox for decades (Stockholm syndrome), but I don't miss Firefox one bit.

Now I need to do that on my desktop, but I'm still shopping. Librewolf? Palemoon? Ice Weasel? What are folks here trying out these days?

[–] astro_ray@lemdro.id 1 points 3 months ago

On Android I am using Waterfox. Still looking for alternatives on desktop.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago

Lots of love for librewolf here.

Strong fingerprint resistance breaks a lot of sites so just get used to disabling that on whatever sites.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Isn't Mull basicslly Firefox since it's just a Firefox-based fork? The UI seems to be identical to me - don't notice any other differences on my phone

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yes, it's Firefox without the bullshit.

It's ironic that Firefox started the same way, actually.

When Netscape open sourced its browser and then fucked it up, some folks took the source code and built "Phoenix," much, much later becoming Firefox.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't Mull basicslly Firefox since it's just a Firefox-based fork?

I don't understand why that would be a bad thing. If Firefox starts to enshittify then a fork from before the enshittification is exactly what I want.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

It's not - quite the contrary. I was just wondering what the commenter that I replied to meant when they said that it took them some getting used to. For me, it's just a slight change in design and a different icon

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Why not just be a web browser and leave stuff like this to browser extensions?
Oh right, you enshittified yourself.

Edit to add: Why give them money when they apparently already have too much of it from corporate inputs (most of it from Google)? I think they ask us for donations in order to retain their non-profit image, for PR purposes.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are not wrong. I got curious how much they receive in donations, but could not find anything about it in their financial statements.

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Look here

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

That is where I looked and could not find it, albeit only on my short commute from work.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

I've used Firefox since it was released. I will be considering other browsers due to this. I do not want AI in my products.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Librewolf.net

[–] thegreenguy@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI shit alone, I never understood the urge to build a whole OS in the browser. I want my browser to view websites. If I want more, then I can install extensions. I'd rather them release this as some sort of "official" extension. Might switch to LibreWolf (do you have any other suggestions?)

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The real reason people want to revoke the second amendment is so Mozilla will stop constantly pointing guns at their own feet.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

What are the right settings to disable that crap via user.js? I assume this is done via hidden extension, like Pocket.

[–] antler@feddit.rocks 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy

Internet or other electronic network activity (e.g., browsing history, search history, information regarding an individual's interaction with an internet website, application, or advertisement, and online viewing activities)

Category of Third Parties to Whom Personal Information is Sold and/or Shared: Advertising partners, Service providers

Just a snippet of the privacy policy. There's other bad stuff too like location tracking. It's also all ran through Google analytics.

So much for a privacy respecting Mozilla

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

"strategic partnerships"

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/review-checker-review-quality

Protect your privacy

Firefox is committed to empowering you with information about review reliability while respecting your privacy. We use Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP) for Review Checker.

When Review Checker is turned on, we use information about the products you visit on Amazon, Best Buy and Walmart to analyze the reviews, but by using OHTTP we ensure Mozilla cannot link you or your device to the products you have viewed. OHTTP uses encryption and a third party intermediary server to offer a technical guarantee that this is the case: all Mozilla learns from this network request is that someone, somewhere, looked at a given product.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

I dislike doublespeak

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

LibreWolf

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