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I am looking for a new Android smartphone (currently on iOS).

Obviously I read about GrapheneOS as the „Gold Standard“ of alternative OS. But the downside is that it only runs on Pixels. Which is kinda weird to buy a device from a company you want to „boycott“ (de-Google).

On the other hand I kinda like the approach of Fairphone: most parts are easy repairable, parts are available and cheap compared to Google and Apple. But the downside here is that it isn’t supported by GrapheneOS, doesn’t have the most capable hardware for the price and probably won’t get 7 years of updates like the Pixel 8a in comparison.

So that leaves me with a „analysis paralysis“: I have to choose a device and a CustomROM.

/e/OS does seem interesting but I read some comments that it isn’t that secure like GrapheneOS. I don’t need that high-level of security but it should be significantly more than stock Android to be worth all the hassle by installing/using a CustomROM. On the other hand I don’t want to sacrifice every comfort for the sake of the last bit of (theoretical) security.

Did someone go down this path as well recently and can share some experiences? Maybe there is even some better alternative.

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[–] Dr_01000111@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

google pixels sadly are the best device for any custom ROM. if you really don't want to use google and your willing to sacrifice some performance and quality of life I'd recommended the fair phone 5 with /e/os. it is easily repairable and has I think 7 years of support. ofcorse it sacrifices a few qol things of most modern phones like the top end displays or the best photo quality and it costs the same as a google pixel 8 but its all ethically sourced and is a extremely good project and product. I'd reccomend watching reviews first "not Linux tech tips" the software updates fixed most of their issues anyways.

[–] Dr_01000111@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

it even comes with a removable battery, Sim card slot, and SD card slot

[–] Onomatopoetikum@feddit.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can buy a used Pixel smartphone

[–] en1gma@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I thought about it too but I don’t see any other benefit buying a used Pixel besides that it isn’t a new phone from Google.

  • Battery life will be shorter already
  • It isn’t the newest model so it won’t get the longest period of updates
[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But do you really need update from Google if you're planning on installing a custom rom ? Genuine question, I thought your security updates would be handled by /e/ or graphene or whatever you choose

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Not necessarily, they'll get some OS updates after google pulls the plug, but they'll stop getting firmware and other hardware-specific updates.

Per GrapheneOS:

Pixel 4a (5G) and Pixel 5 are end-of-life and shouldn't be used anymore due to lack of security patches for firmware and drivers. We provide extended support for harm reduction.

https://grapheneos.org/releases#changelog

[–] mlfh@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-lifetime

You can buy a used Pixel 8 and it will be supported by Graphene through 2030 at the very earliest, probably the best support lifecycle you can possibly get on a phone.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago
  1. Battery life isn't a given - I have a 2018 flagship that still runs most of a day because it runs DivestOS instead of battery-eating Google rom

  2. You can replace a battery for little

  3. Updates are over-rated. Yes, they can be important, but if your security is layered as it should already be, it's just another piece of the puzzle, not the only barrier.

  4. Graphene does a great job trying to keep it updated.

[–] ExtravagantEnzyme@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Pixel 8a is more affordable vs the 8 and 8 Pro. The 8a comes in at $499, while the 8 cost $699 and the Pro runs $999. The 8a still has an amazing camera, the battery will give you no problems, and it's not a MASSIVE device like most phones these days. It's probably the best way to get on Graphene OS at a reasonable price point.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

$500 is NOT "affordable". $300 for my 7a new was already hard to swallow, and I think only previous-gen models border on "acceptable price". 7 was only a bit more expensive in the store I used though - didn't go for it because it is larger, and 7a is already at the edge of what I can comfortably use one-handed, but for someone this might be indeed a better deal.

Edit: just remembered another factor in favor of 7a: it has a plastic back instead of glass. I don't know why you'd put a more brittle material on a more expensive phone...

[–] DetachablePianist@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If you buy a new Pixel and then run an alt rom like graphene or lineage, you're most likeley costing Google money. I believe they manufacture the Pixel at a small loss because they expect to make their money back harvesting and selling your personal data. Denying them that should mean you get decent hardware at a fair price, without really "supporting" Google as much as you fear. I could be wrong, but I've definitely seen that mentioned before.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Alternatively you can just buy a used one from a private seller.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I recently bought a Pixel 5 for less than $200.

I despise paying even that much for a phone.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Well privacy costs money now unless you can live without electronics.

[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Just get a pixel. Use the enemy's weapon against them.