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~~https://www.neowin.net/news/ublock-origin-developer-recommends-switching-to-ublock-lite-as-chrome-flags-the-extension/~~

EDIT: Apologies. Updated with a link to what gorhill REALLY said:

Manifest v2 uBO will not be automatically replaced by Manifest v3 uBOL[ight]. uBOL is too different from uBO for it to silently replace uBO -- you will have to explicitly make a choice as to which extension should replace uBO according to your own prerogatives.

Ultimately whether uBOL is an acceptable alternative to uBO is up to you, it's not a choice that will be made for you.

Will development of uBO continue? Yes, there are other browsers which are not deprecating Manifest v2, e.g. Firefox.

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[–] Dju@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Comment from gorhill (the developer of uBO and uBOL):

I didn't recommend to switch to uBO Lite, the article made that up. I merely pointed out Google Chrome currently presents uBO Lite as an alternative (along with 3 other content blockers), explained what uBO Lite is, and concluded that it may or may not be considered an acceptable alternative, it's for each person to decide.

https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1ejhpu5/comment/lgdmthd/

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"uBlock Origin developer slams NeoWin, backpedals on recommendation!" —NeoWin editors, probably.

[–] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sounds about right for any news outlet. "Slams" is so overused, and usually nowhere near an accurate euphamism.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How did supposedly intellectual people ever conclude that we should use the word "slam" on the daily in headlines?

It's straight out of Idiocracy and I will never get used to it.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because not only is it emotive (and they love emotive language to get you to click), it's also just an objectively fantastic word for a headline in that it's very concise and helps headlines fit on a single line.

Headline space is limited, so it's easier to go with "X slams Y over Z" as opposed to "X criticises Y over Z" or "X denounces Y over Z" or "X castigates Y over Z"

It's annoying how much it's seen. But I get why they do it.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it's also just an objectively fantastic word

100% disagree

"X criticises Y over Z" or "X denounces Y over Z" or "X castigates Y over Z"

All of these are better. They're honest about what's happening and most people understand them. "Slams" implies some level of violence or at least force. Not only isn't that dishonest most of the time, it could devalue the word to that point that it just simply has no meaning. I refuse to internalize it as best as I can, but if they had their way I would think "slam" means a brutal vitriolic takedown. Instead I know it normally means "mildly comments on" these days.

Fuck "slam" in headlines.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You're interpreting me saying "it's objectively good in headlines because it's extremely short and clear what it means" as "I love it when they say 'slams'!"

I was very explicit in saying I don't like it. It's just objectively (not subjectively) a good word for headlines.

I am not making an emotional argument to you. I'm just answering the question of why they use it. If you didn't actually want an answer to the question, you should've made it clearer it was a rhetorical question.

All of these are better

No they aren't, for the very reason I already stated. They aren't concise, which is paramount when it comes to crafting a headline.

Slam in headlines implies violence

Slam does not imply violence or force lol.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you didn’t actually want an answer to the question

I thought it's clear when we ask a question that can't actually be answered, because thousands of journalists are not one person we can ask, it's not meant to be taken 100% literally.

Slam does not imply violence or force lol.

Of course it does. That's 100% the only reason why they use it this way. Notice how that's explicit in every definition but the last (the newer, still less-common usage I'm taking issue with):

I love when people want to quibble about word definitions, being super strict or loose whenever it suits them. In the real world, people use words loosely and over time the connotation changes. Hence definition 4's existence here.

My main problem with using the word this way is that it's rarely honest. I am annoyed by it because it sounds stupid, but like I said, more importantly:

if they had their way I would think “slam” means a brutal vitriolic takedown. Instead I know it normally means “mildly comments on” these days.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

From your screenshot: to criticize harshly

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

They should recommend switching to Firefox instead. It's clear that Google cannot be allowed to have a monopoly on browsers.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

On the same day Google was found to be in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act...

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

They lost what may end up being the biggest antitrust case in decades. And it's not weak sauce like the ruling that may get overturned regarding the Play Store monopoly (which is kinda weak since Android manufacturers can and do include other app stores on their phones).

It had to do with their anti-competitive behavior regarding Online Search. Specifically stuff like paying Apple and other manufacturers to make Google the default or even exclusive search engine, then using that not only to capture the market, but to charge more for ads than the competition they sabotage.

As a bonus, it'll probably hurt reddit too, since it almost certainly makes their recent deal with Google illegal.

It'll be appealed, but it's a pretty big ruling. Between the US Courts, EU legislature, and what looks poised to be a flop for Gemini/Bard, Google is on its way to having a real shit year.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I’m going to call foul play on Judge Mehta’s ruling. They are a direct competitor.

[–] pyrflie@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

How the hell is a Judge a competitor with Google for Search?

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

I only use Firefox and have for the past few years. Yesterday I tried to schedule an appointment to get my oil changed at the dealer but was unable because the process on the site just flat-out breaks on Firefox. This is not a complaint about Firefox, but the fact that Chrome is so popular that some websites only work with Chrome. I don't have a Chromium-based browser installed (besides Edge, which I've never opened intentionally) and I despise being on the phone (which is why I was trying to schedule online in the first place), so I just didn't make the appointment. I'll go somewhere else to get my oil changed. Sorry for the rant but it was extremely frustrating.

[–] Mars2k21@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This has been a long time in the making...hopefully Firefox will see a market share increase. Google is doing this right as they get slapped by an antitrust ruling ironically lol. If you haven't already just go ahead and switch, if you like Lemmy you'll probably like Firefox as well.

Side note: I try not to be negative here, but this would be a great time for Mozilla to get their act together as an organization. Love Firefox and the idea, but Mozilla has been pissing off the FOSS space for a while now with their decisions. If they've improved in recent years, disregard this.

[–] send_cortical_nodes@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can you share some examples of things that pisses off the FOSS space? Mostly just curious to understand more

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's the most recent example:

The browser that promises “no shady privacy notices or advertiser backdoors” on its storefront has suddenly added an experimental feature to beam user interactions to advertisers and enables it by default. Many are not happy.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It should be noted that the advertisers get zero personal information, neither does Mozilla, and it has been designed in a way so that the data is impossible to fingerprint in a way that can tie it back to any individual person, machine, or specific location.

It's a way for advertisers (and like it or not, a decent amount of the content we want has to be paid for somehow) to see how effective their ads are without anybody's privacy being encroached on.

Should it have been turned on without informing the user? Fuck no. But there's a lot of misinformation going around about this.

Personally I'll still be using uBO, because I despise any ads at all, but if we are to have ads, the system Mozilla has built is just about the most ethical and privacy-respecting way to do it.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even if Mozilla takes precautions to avoid de-anonymizing our data, any private data sold to data brokers becomes a part of the puzzle for learning our identities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_re-identification

Even knowing something a trivial as two movie ratings led to a 68% success rate in learning an identity.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I suggest you actually look into how their system works. This kind of strategy is not possible with Mozilla's system.

In fact, your very link points to 'Differential Privacy' as a very effective foil to re-identification, and that's basically how the Mozilla system operates.

This is not a matter of Mozilla having a load of data about your account or IP, then Mozilla scrubbing that information then sending the database to advertisers.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate your informed response but no system other than advertising-abstinence is fool proof.

Im saying this as a supporter. My browser of choice is firefox and I send them money regularly. And I understand their need to generate more revenue. But there has never been a company who has sold customer data discretely. My understanding is that every piece of data that's sold can be de anonymized when combined with other data sets. And the data is horsetraded until it gets into some very marginal actors' hands.

Mozilla's need for money is largely driven by massive mismanagement. It should have been fully funded in perpetuity through establishing a foundation that operates off interest payments but they decided to try and build a headquarters in Mountainview. They also operate offices in some of the most expensive cities in the world. They have made expensive software aquisitions. These are not necessary and have only whetted mozilla's thirst for other revenue sources. It's guaranteed that they will look for more customer data to sell because that's the path of least resistance.

I wish them luck but I also wish they'd not chase advertising money.

[–] claudiop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As for the "no system is foolproof", you're thinking of implementations, not algorithms. An algorithm can indeed be something-proof. Most "known" algorithms are built on top of very strong mathematical foundations stating what is possible, what is not and what is a maybe.

As for the ads thing, Mozilla is not making a dime off this. It is not monetizable. They're basically expecting that by giving advertisers a fairly "benign" way to do their shenanigans they will stop doing things the way they currently do (with per-individual tracking).

The absolutists might say that there's no such thing as benign ads, however truth is that the market forces behind ads are big enough that you'd get website-integrity-bullshit rather ad-free web. Having tracking less ads is better than having a "this website only works in chrome" or "only without extensions" internet.

Is there any other possibility? Maybe. Is is reasonable to think that the moment tracking starts getting blocked em masse, we risk a web-integrity-bullshit +wherever-said-tracking-can-exist-only internet? I think so.

[–] uzay@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago

What the uBlock dev actually said:

https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/wiki/About-Google-Chrome's-%22This-extension-may-soon-no-longer-be-supported%22

Manifest v2 uBO will not be automatically replaced by Manifest v3 uBOL[ight]. uBOL is too different from uBO for it to silently replace uBO -- you will have to explicitly make a choice as to which extension should replace uBO according to your own prerogatives.

Ultimately whether uBOL is an acceptable alternative to uBO is up to you, it's not a choice that will be made for you.

Will development of uBO continue? Yes, there are other browsers which are not deprecating Manifest v2, e.g. Firefox.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I haven't used Chrome in years now. Firefox has always been my home.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So many kids with assigned school Chromebooks are going to get fucked over by this. You can apparently install Firefox on a Chromebook via the Google Play Store, but that was disabled on my daughter's Chromebook. I don't want her exposed to constant advertising while she's doing her schoolwork. It's bad enough that she's exposed to it the rest of the time just being in America.

[–] mwalimu@baraza.africa 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think this is something most people rarely talk about but it strikes home to many of us. As a parent, I have a responsibility to defend my children against this persistent cognitive manipulation and experimentation. Just as I would not want a random stranger at the corner have exclusive attention of my kid and sell them insurance or grammarly or mesothelioma, I would also never want them to have that unfiltered access to my kids online. One can then say AdBlocks are a parental obligation.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

there has to be collective voices and collective action taken. do parents unions exist?

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Usually, they are used to burn books :/

[–] ARg94@lemmy.packitsolutions.net -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

*Limit access to pornography in grade school libraries. Translated your groomer speak to English for you.

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ARg94@lemmy.packitsolutions.net -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You think little kids need to view explicit material? I hope no one trusts you around children. Parents have a right and a responsibility to know and approve of the curriculum taught to their children by state schools financed by their taxes. If they do not approve they should have the right to send their children and their money elsewhere. This will be the law.

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And, pray tell, what library or school has pornography in it that is easily accessible to minors?

Furthermore, having lived my entire life around educators and now working for an educational institution: parents are fucking stupid lol

The sheer numbers of videos of parents bitching and crying at school meetings or libraries about "X book is pornographic" or "this book has witchcraft and should be burned" is absurd. Those mouth breathers don't even know how to critically examine a fucking facebook post for bullshit, let alone comprehend the difficulty in teaching children.

Don't like your kid learning about how Trans people exist? Go fuck yourself and homeschool your kid so they can be permanently stunted in terms of preparation for the real world. Let the vast majority of regular people make sure their kids grow up socially aware and at least passingly prepared for the future.

Also, "this will be the law?" Have you seen the flailing Republican party? Guess what fucker - the average American thinks project 2025 is batshit and the republican party got hijacked by a manchild and ruined their stupid plans. It's only downhill from here now that they went mask off - most people think they're nuts.

[–] ARg94@lemmy.packitsolutions.net -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nah. I'm gonna keep advocating for sanity in public schools and for parents to have oversight of their children's education.

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Lol ok whatever you say. Enjoy the consequences of letting the uneducated run things

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did I miss a piece? I don't see anywhere in the original statement where firefox is actively recommended, just mentioned as an example.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Welcome to Firefox to anyone who is switching. I use a fork for Firefox (Floorp) Becuase I like it's features.