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    [–] RustyNova@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Librewolf, but I'd argue it's more of a Firefox/web debloater reason. No pocket, no VPN ads. I would have said that the only issue is that it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater and software repos, so I would almost recommend it over stock firefox for normies.

    And I use tor to search stuff that contains sensitive data like my location... Or when a website is blocked

    [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

    This is the argument I keep using for why people should use Linux more. The fact you have to run updater software for each piece of software is so stupid. It's a horrible solution to a poorly designed problem. On Linux I just tell my package manager to update everything and it takes care of it all. There's no need for the user to be handling all of that, and it also shouldn't have to update in starting the application because that's when the user wants to use it, not wait for an update.

    (For reference: it's the same thing as on your phone where it tells you the number of things that need updated and you just tell it to update whenever you feel like it.)

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    VPN ads? Not sure I've ever gotten such a thing. Been using Firefox daily for several years

    [–] ccdfa@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    You know that tab that opens sometimes when you update Firefox? The welcome to Firefox or what's new, whatever it is? If I remember correctly, there are sometimes ads for mozilla vpn on that tab. But you, like me, might just close that tab without ever looking at its contents

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Haha yeah... I actually like that there is a confirmation that an update was installed and there's a list of changes if I want to view them. If that "ad" indeed is there, it's inoffensive enough I never once noticed it. I loathe ads. Not one of those people who tolerates them

    [–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    it is a pain to update, but they added a windows updater

    the linux package manager in question

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    it's not in the arch repos πŸ’€

    [–] swab148@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    everything is in the aur

    edit: i use the aur package already, but you have to acknowledge aur packages just aren't the same

    [–] banazir@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

    [Richard Stallman] usually does not browse the web directly from his personal computer. Instead, he uses GNU Womb's grab-url-from-mail utility, an email-based proxy which downloads the webpage content and then emails it to the user.

    If you're not doing this you're not properly paranoid.

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Librewolf is just a usable Firefox

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    [–] communism@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Tor Browser serves a different purpose/use-case to the first two. The first two are intended for everyday browsing while I've never heard of anyone using Tor Browser as their daily browserβ€”and if you log into websites then using Tor Browser as your daily driver would defeat the anonymity purposes if you're logging in anyway.

    I use librewolf for everyday browsing and Tor Browser for things requiring a higher threat model.

    [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    It actually feels selfish to use Tor as a daily driver.

    [–] uint@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I assume that by "selfish" you mean taking up bandwidth from the Tor network, which is a valid concern. But using it as a daily driver for low-bandwidth tasks like reading text (and maybe a few compressed pictures here and there) is actually be beneficial to the Tor network, as it increases the size of the crowd, thereby making everyone more anonymous.

    [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

    Eh, that's fair. As long as it is low bandwidth like you said. Maybe I'll do it some.

    LibreWolf as daily driver and whenever I need a little extra privacy I use Tor or even tails

    [–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Tor Browser is this kid wearing many layers of different masks and hoodies, and changing them randomly whenever the mood strikes.

    [–] serpineslair@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I have modified Firefox. Might as well be Librewolf.

    [–] communism@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

    I was the same which was why I just switched to librewolf. Cut the work out for me.

    [–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Librewolf enables fingerprinting preventation which makes some websites / fields very laggy. I can disable it but what's the point of using Librewolf then? Also using FF is not paranoid, it is the only free software I installed that sticked with my family. Tor has a wholly different purpose.

    [–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

    Regular firefox and tweaked

    [–] thegreenguy@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm considering switching to LibreWolf after all the AI crap Mozilla is adding

    [–] magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

    Librewolf is great. I just add exceptions for a handful of sites I want to retain sessions for and it is very usable as a daily driver

    [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

    Statistical analysis of a large data set is a sin, after all.

    [–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Librewolf for normal stuff, Tor for stuff I don't even want linked to my IP.

    [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Jokes on you, cause a lot of alphabet organizations set up entry and exit nodes on Tor so you're being tracked regardless.

    [–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Most of my Tor activity is on onionsites, so that's okay.

    Also, even given spooky nodes, the chances of getting a spooky entry and exit node are slim. Still, given the possibility, it is advisable to do spicy clearnet activities away from home with a MAC randomizer as insurance in case you win the world's worst roulette game.

    [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    I think the big problem I have with tor is that there's no way to know how compromised the network is. From a three letter agency budget, setting up 30,000 nodes wouldn't be a big deal, you just have them doing other things.

    Of course, I'm not really doing anything that would draw the ire of a three-letter agency, so even tor is overkill.

    I was also never really big on people running bad s*** through my node. I've always felt better using a paid proxy then at least claims not to log, Even if there's a half decent chance that people are watching their ingress and egress at the ISP level.

    [–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Vacuum-gapped video relay in the wilderness.

    [–] savvywolf@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    NetCat. /s

    Seriously though, I just use Firefox. LibreWolf is basically Firefox with stricter defaults, and over the years I've already tweaked Firefox to use all the privacy features anyway.

    I know there's some extra sauce implemented in LibreWolf that Firefox lacks, but that stuff seems like too much of a compromise for me (like canvas fingerprinting).

    Plus, I think orange looks nicer in my window list than blue.

    I also don't use tor or a vpn unless I can't access anything otherwise. I guess I don't really see the need to, since I don't think I'm doing anything that'll draw the government's attention.

    [–] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

    You can turn off canvas fingerprinting or any added feature with a single checkbox. I used to feel the same way about LibreWolf, but once I familiarized myself with the different settings, it became clearly the superior option if you value privacy. I also set my Firefox settings strictly, but then they added new β€œfeatures” and turned them on by default. That was the last straw for me.

    [–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    I started moving from Firefox to LibreWolf and found a few too many convenient features broke.

    I think password and bookmark syncing was too difficult to move away from, as I use them across devices/phone.

    Haven't had time to research alternative methods or practices.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

    Firefox may silently opt you into "features" such as targeted advertising. Librewolf acts as a barrier.

    Also "nothing to hide" is fine if you have nothing to say and you don't care about liberty.

    [–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I use Librewolf and TBB. Both have NoScript enabled and JS turned off by default. I never turn on JS on TBB obviously, and for the few sites that I frequent on Librewolf, I tweaked it by hand. It's not that hard.

    I will look to also use Mullvad browser alongside Librewolf maybe, not sure which one of them is more private since Mullvad browser comes straight from the TOR project and has their security settings.

    [–] shekau@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

    I'm using Mullvad browser for over a year on Linux and I can recommend. It's basically TBB without TOR

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

    Librewolf also has Tor security settings

    [–] LinusSexTips@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    schizofox "Hardened Firefox flake for the delusional and the schizophrenics."

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

    Arkenfox if anything

    [–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

    ubuntu font!!!

    [–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Librewolf. I yearn for something better for ios. I'm sticking woth firefox because all my tabs & shit are synced.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

    There isn't going to be something better because of the locked down proprietary ecosystem. You might as well use Safari

    [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Clearly 🐺. Been on it like, 3y+? Maybe longer, it's been my primary for a long time. 🦊 as a backup, and for DRM stuff. Chrome/Chromium for shit that just doesn't play well with 🦎. Edge (for windows) is my 'I need to test this with a vanilla browser' and cba to disable ublock etc from chrome incognito.

    Iceraven, with backup Vanadium, on mobile.

    For mobile, I'd recommend Mull instead of Iceraven

    Pros:

    • Just like Iceraven, a fork of Fenix
    • incorporates the arkenfox user.js
    • Doesn't have "No warranties or guarantees of security or updates or even stability!" in its project description

    Cons:

    • APKs are only on FDroid
    • awful name, no animal reference
    • awful logo color scheme imo - magenta on turquoise is... an interesting choice

    Here's a probably somewhat biased but from quickly skimming over it not inaccurate browser comparison by the developer(s) of Mull:

    https://divestos.org/pages/browsers

    Also based GrapheneOS user

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Librewolf is better than Tor in some ways. Tor has ads

    Gotta weigh in the benefits of privacy/features vs anonymity for your needs.

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