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A new court filing has revealed “hundreds of threatening, harassing, disparaging and antisemitic” threats made to Judge Arthur Engoron, who is currently presiding over the civil fraud trial of former President Donald Trump in New York and trying to get the gag order he imposed against Trump reinstated.

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000. An appeals court paused the order last week, citing Trump’s “constitutional and statutory rights.” But the threats have caused serious security concerns for Engoron and his staff, especially his principal law clerk Allison Greenfield.

One voicemail, according to an affidavit filed by court officer Captain Charles Hollon, stated: “Trust me. Trust me when I say this. I will come for you. I don’t care. Ain’t nobody gonna stop me either.” Another said: “Resign now, you dirty, treasonous piece of trash snake. We are going to get you and anyone of you dirty, backstabbing, lying, cheating American. You are nothing but a bunch of communists. We are coming to remove you permanently.”

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[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In 2023, how are these threats not immediately traceable and punished? Even burner phones have to be registered these days, right?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Considering what happened to the January 6th insurrectionists, even if they're caught, they'll get a slap on the wrist.

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[–] Steve@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is a long history of law enforcement not taking threats of violence seriously, when they come from white conservative groups.

The Secrete Service might. As far as I know they take all threats to the president as pretty serious. But that only helps the president, not the rest of us.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Perhaps in the past, but at least as of a few years ago, the USSS was heavily infiltrated by MAGA fascists.

Carol Leonnig’s book Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service goes into great detail on how compromised that organisation has become.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago

The cops and FBI are on their side, that's why.

Hell, a decent chunk of the posts are probably from cops.

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[–] books@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember when hrc was lambasted for calling these folks deplorable?

I always thought she was right and she should doubled down.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She was proven right in polls about their attitudes soon after.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for her those deplorables vote.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, anyone holding deplorable positions was not going to vote for her, no matter what. All the pearl-clutching tone police seem to overlook that when they lecture her...

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[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, being right doesn't matter in a popularity contest.

I do wonder how things would have panned out if she'd won - I can't help but think Trump would have been replaced by someone better able to overthrow democracy...

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess when the judges start dying, we'll think about taking this seriously, but not really.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it also sounds like a few hundred people need investigating.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes but it's hard to investigate right-wing terrorists when you can't seem to take off these damn kid gloves.

[–] Thaumiel@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to mention a lot of the terrorists being the the same people as the cops who would look into "it".

Never forget "We have investigated ourselves and have found no evidence of wrongdoing" might as well be the motto of US policing.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just going to leave this here... 🙂

Every Single House Republican Voted Against Investigating Neo-Nazis in the Military

All 208 House Republicans thumbed their noses at an amendment to a bill that would order the government to investigate white supremacist and neo-Nazi activity in the military and federal law enforcement.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they are going to need those guys when they attempt their coup.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone else remember back in 2020 when the conservative bullshit spewing machine (Fox News) was saying how democrats weren’t going to be able to accept the outcome of the election and that conservatives handle these things with dignity and maturity?

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also tried claiming that Trump not accepting the election results was fine because Hillary didn't accept the results in 2016. This despite definitive proof that Hillary conceded that night. But they can't let something as pesky and minor as facts get in the way of their talking points.

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[–] spider@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago

Hell, I remember those "Sore Loserman" signs from the 2000 election.

They've hit us with so damn much hypocrisy since then that maybe they just expect us to tune it all out.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Its whack how we have a whole ass terror cell in our government nobody does anything about.

[–] A_cook_not_a_chef@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well the FBI just designated Antifa as terrorists, so.... Wait yeah we're doing nothing.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them. All the better to have these thugs wrapped up in the justice system with trials, prison time, etc...give them something to occupy their time, esp. if some other big event calls them (like J6), they can stay away due to serving time or having to show up to trial, etc...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them.

I'm sure justice will be as swift and harsh as it was for the January 6 insurrectionists. Which is to say, they'll slow walk it and hand out insultingly minor sentences when they absolutely have to do anything at all.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Federal judiciary doesn't take kindly to threats. Neither does the FBI.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I sure hope they start taking this all very seriously before the orange blob (or a proxy) is able to seize power.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

FBI is part of it but the us Marshalls oversee Federal courts, they're not super politically biased and will fuck some people up if given a reason. Don't fuck with the federal Marshall service.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

So innocent. Right folks?

[–] schwim@reddthat.com 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I highly doubt these mental midgets took care to properly hide their identity when making these calls. I'm fairly confident they could easily be round up and charged with criminal threats against an officer of the law.

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[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000.

I gagged. That’s less than the cheapest car on the market. For violating two gag orders in a civil fraud trial.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago

Unsurprising. Republicans are cunts like that.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, his rights? Isn't the point of the judicial system to strip away some rights when you do something illegal?

in this case its all about the drawn out appeal. trumps famous not for winning, but for dragging cases out so long it doesnt matter anymore.

in this case, hes already guilty hes just literally throwing tantrums to create noise that might allow for an appeal. and its a longshot, as no one appears to be giving him an inch of appealable activity.

its painful to watch, but its all about the appeal avoidance.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It's a good thing it's only white people threatening him.

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[–] whatupwiththat@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Fucking terrorists plain and simple

[–] boatsnhos931@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Talk is cheap, anyone can talk shit behind a phone or computer

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter how cheap the speech is or whether few of them would actually turn their talk into action. The death threats themselves are serious even if none of these people intend to act on it. Also, these threats are illegal whether or not these people intend to act on it. Finally, all it takes is one person who decides to act on Trump's marching orders.

If you were getting these threats, would you be resting easy with the thought that most of these people wouldn't come to your home (which they'd know the address of)? Or would you - more likely - be afraid to go home or answer your phone?

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did storm the US capitol alley being told to take the country back in "trial by combat."

They did shoot Gabby Giffords after conservative propaganda that literally drew a crosshair on her.

They did try to kidnap a governor.

They did take over a federal building and receive no punishment.

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[–] Kleinbonum@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, that's always been Trump's play: talk a big game from a veeery safe distance, and incite other people to do his dirty work for him.

"I'll be right there with you" my ass.

The issue - as January 6th has shown - is that there are enough insurgents and domestic terrorists who are willing to commit violence on Trump's behalf.

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