Hungary out, ukraine in please
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2023
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mate just throw the baby out, the rest of it is fine. I don't feel like as a Hungarian that I should be punished for what that piece of shit prime minister is doing.
don't say to vote him out, that doesn't work in a dictatorship disguised as a democracy.
Are you asking the EU to stage a coup?
however much I feel the other way, I am legally required to say no.
Also I am legally obligated to say that I do not want the Austro-Hungarian empire to come back.
Hungary metres from leaving
As we all know, Orban is very connected with the standards and values of the EU, and definitely hasn't screwed his country out of billions in EU assistance because of his authoritarian regime.
I disagree with Orban saying Ukraine will take light years to join the EU.
They could join any metre now.
That is a measure of distance, not time.
Hungary should be very close to leaving it instead.
OrbΓ‘n wants to leave for social reasons, but wants to stay for economical reasons. OrbΓ‘n wants the EU money, but none of the responsibilities expected for it.
His boss in the Kremlin also wants him to stay and wreck the EU from within. Once it disintegrates and Russia gets back its historical possessions up to the Berlin Wall, then and only then will Orban be invited to sit at the Czarβs right hand as a hero of the mighty Eurasian empire.
I do not like Orban at all and hate to agree with him, but I think he is right. I think there are two big reasons why Ukraine is unlikely to join the EU proper in the near to medium term:
- The EU needs reform when it comes to deciding things when there is no consensus and this is now a very accepted position.The EU will only become more sluggish if we open the gates to another country with veto power.
- Farmers. Ukraine is a big (and has potential to be even bigger) aggreculture powerhouse. Many laws (aggreculture subsidies etc) in the EU are not sustainable if Ukrain becomes part of the EU.
These problems are solvable, but take a lot of time I think. Also I don't think it is in the EUs best interest to allow a war torn/rebuilding market into the single market, but here I could be wrong. Maybe there are reasons (like a way to exploit Ukraine after the war) that would invalidate my theory...
I would like to see the EU expand, but I think it will take a long time.
As cynical as it may sound, the war has had an immeasurable cost to Ukraine, they are nowhere near in a capacity to join the EU economically for decades.