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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I see all this about grass not being native, but to where? It must be native somewhere.

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[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago

aesthetically pleasing

it's literally 1 single species of grass fertilized till it looks nintendo64 green

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

I mean I'd rather have my entire yard and have no bugs live close to me and not have to worry about the grass. Would absolutely love getting rid of all plants near me except maybe having one little greenhouse to grow some weed in. Insects and bugs of any kind are not welcome anywhere I might encounter them.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yet you won't. You will just post memes about it on the internet.

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Bugs don't care what type of green you have in your lawn. You can even mow.

Just don't spray insecticide on your lawn.

Edit: also, why the fuck would you remove existing lawn to replace it with new growth? That's like indiscriminately bulldozing every home in a city to rebuild them with whatever is the current trend in sustainable housing. Where do people live in the mean time? Please don't let this person, or me for that matter, inform your opinion.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's just simply vastly and easily proved to be untrue.

Insecticide is a lot of it but lack of variety, lack of height, lack of pollinators, lack of pollinating plants and light pollution are all compound factors.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've seen a lot of opinion pieces about the matter, but they never cite any research that definitely pins substantive loss of biodiversity on lawns. It's an issue globally, but as usual the individual is the scape goat instead of the exponentially greater impact of corporations.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because there doesn't need to be a study. We know reduction of habitat has a direct relation to population, it would be exceptionally weird if it weren't.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We knew dinosaurs were scaly, too. Everything deserves further study, and it's foolhardy to advise everyone to rip up their lawns and plant...what, exactly? White clover, another invasive species.

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you didn't need to do that. You won't find a study supporting your argument, I've looked thoroughly before. Case in point, the study you shared. It actually opposes your argument, by finding suburban lawns support a diverse and abundant bee community. Of the three mowing frequencies they studied (one, two, and three week intervals), they actually found every two weeks was optimal for the bees.

Like I said to begin with, I just don't think what species of green you plant in your lawn matters nearly as much as not using insecticide.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't but do go on.

We suggest a ‘lazy lawnmower’ approach as an additional option for managing yards for wildlife. The recommendation to mow lawns less frequently to help promote bee conservation might garner broad public support (potentially compared with lawn reduction or replacement) because it more closely aligns with current single-family homeowner motivations for adopting lawn-dominated yardscapes. A New England study on lawn care attitudes and behaviors found that householders were concerned about water quality and thus were willing to try al- ternative lawn care approaches that were more environmentally friendly (e.g., higher mowing height, reduced fertilizer application). However, the authors also noted significant barriers to changing be- haviors including concerns that the alternative lawn care would not be as aesthetically pleasing, would incur additional financial burdens, and would require more time for upkeep (Eisenhauer et al., 2016). Likewise, in a multi-city survey, respondents ranked various landscaping deci- sions in which aesthetically pleasing, weed-free, and ease of main- tenance topped the list, while provisioning for wildlife ranked fifth out of eight choices (Larson et al., 2015). These studies suggest that wild- life-friendly landscaping has some support, but the acceptance of weeds and the inclusion of more native plants (which are not as showy as their non-native congeners; Frankie et al., 2005) might be at odds with more preferred management goals of aesthetics and ease of maintenance (Lerman et al., 2012b; van Heezik et al., 2012). Based on our interac- tions with participating households and their neighbors, our treatment of a three-week mowing frequency appeared unkempt and exceeded the tolerance of many homeowners and their neighbors, and thus the two- week regime might reconcile homeowner ideals with pollinator habitat. Moving towards a mechanistic approach when studying urban biodiversity (Shochat et al., 2006) increases our ability to directly link management with ecological outcomes, and ultimately lead to effective action. Our experimental approach demonstrated how altering lawn management decisions influences bee abundance despite the inherent variability present in suburban yards. Manipulating lawn mowing be- haviors also demonstrates a new and creative approach for supporting urban biodiversity by rethinking the role lawns play towards enriching urban areas. Mowing less frequently is practical, economical, environ- mental and a timesaving alternative to lawn replacement or even planting pollinator gardens, that has the potential to be widely adopted if it can overcome barriers to social acceptance. Most importantly, our research shows that individual households can contribute to urban conservation.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It would be easier to just admit you didn't read the whole thing before you shared it. It's a shit study, like I said, and you're wasting your time trying to make it support your opinion.

You can throw more copy pasta at me, if you want, but their results are what they are. I'll reiterate...

Suburban lawns support a diverse bee population: "4.1. Diverse and abundant suburban bee communities. For this study, we documented 93 species of bees collected from the lawn-dominated yards (Appendix A1). These 93 species represent roughly a quarter of bee species recorded in Massachusetts, include 14 Massachusetts county records, and featured the highly abundant Lasioglossum illinoense, a species not recorded in Massachusetts since 1920 (Lerman and Milam, 2016). Other urban bee studies have also amassed impressive species lists (e.g., Baldock et al., 2015; Fetridge et al., 2008; Matteson et al., 2008; Pardee and Philpott, 2014; Tommasi et al., 2004), dispelling the notion that cities are “biological deserts” and support findings that bees can be abundant and diverse in urban settings (Hall et al., 2017). In addition to being primarily native species and soil-nesters, the majority of the Springfield bees were small-bodied (Appendix A1), suggesting that these short-distance fliers took advantage of the floral resources in the study lawns, especially yards mowed every two weeks."

Mowing more frequently was better for the bees: "Mowing frequency altered the evenness of bees within suburban yards, though the patterns we observed did not fully support our hypothesis, in that lawns mowed every week and every three-weeks had higher evenness (Fig. 4d) and richness (Rarefaction curves; Fig. 2) when compared with the two-week treatment."

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Mowing more frequently was better for the bees: *"Mowing frequency altered the evenness of bees within suburban yards, though the patterns we observed did not fully support our hypothesis, in that lawns mowed every week and every three-weeks had higher evenness (Fig. 4d) and richness (Rarefaction curves; Fig. 2) when compared with the two-week treatment."

You also ignored the important part where the study pretty explicitly says there are better practices including wilding they just aren't likely to gain acceptance with tedious home owners.

A New England study on lawn care attitudes and behaviors found that householders were concerned about water quality and thus were willing to try al- ternative lawn care approaches that were more environmentally friendly (e.g., higher mowing height, reduced fertilizer application). However, the authors also noted significant barriers to changing be- haviors including concerns that the alternative lawn care would not be as aesthetically pleasing, would incur additional financial burdens, and would require more time for upkeep (Eisenhauer et al., 2016).

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[–] GluWu@lemm.ee -2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I hope the city has figured out by now I'm not cutting my "weeds". Gave me shit last year. The ordinance is so vague and allows the city to just go onto your property and cut everything down and bill you for the time. I fucking dare them.

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