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    [–] RustyNova@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yes. It is bloated. But not for the reasons you may think.

    Live OSes need to fit multiple requirements compared to the installed ones. They need to:

    • Install the OS without internet
    • Provide a test ground for the OS
    • Be a way to repair damaged OS

    So of course it's bloated, but in a good way. You may be already familiar with Ubuntu, and not care about the live OS part, so it would be bloat for you. You may not care about setting up disks, so GParted is bloat for you, etc...

    If you want a less bloated installer, some other distros like debian give net installers

    [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    EndeavourOS iso also does the same thing but with half the size.

    [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

    Half the tool chains

    [–] electro1@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)
    [–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

    Enjoy the faster downloads.

    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2aa4f5a7e209e54b32803d43670971c4c8caaa05&dn=ubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=https%3a%2f%2ftorrent.ubuntu.com%2fannounce&tr=https%3a%2f%2fipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com%2fannounce

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] electro1@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
    [–] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    What is truly bloated is their network-install images, starting with a 14MB kernel and 65MB initrd, which then proceeds to pull a 2.5GB image which they unpack into RAM to run the install.

    This is especially egregious when running thin VMs for lots of things, since you now require them to have at least 4GB of RAM simply to be able to launch the installer at all.

    Compare this to regular Debian, which uses an 8MB kernel and a 40MB initrd for the entire installer.
    Or some larger like AlmaLinux, which has a 13MB kernel and a 98MB initrd, and which also pulls a 900MB image for the installer. (Which does mean a 2GB RAM minimum, but is still almost a third of the size of Ubuntu)

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Not to mention pulling a 2.5GB image is kind of hard on network. I don't get it as that costs them more money.

    [–] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 1 points 1 year ago

    We're mirroring the images internally, not just because their mirrors suck and would almost double the total install time when using them, but also because they only host the images for the very latest patch version - and they've multiple times made major version changes which have broken the installer between patches in 22.04 alone.

    [–] Moshpirit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I hate you for this pun

    [–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seriously what's in there? Last ISO I've used with size like this came with 6 different DEs. Ubuntu ships only Gnome IIRC

    [–] bleistift2@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Every driver you could possibly need for any hardware in the last 20 years? This is a live CD and is expected to just work no matter what you’re running it on.

    Edit: Also, of course, every program you might need to usefully test-drive a distro, like office apps, media players, image viewers, browser, email client, and a myriad more. Now that I’ve said it I find 6GB remarkably small.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] thanatotus@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Fedora also by default includes only free stuff. AFAIK Ubuntu includes non free codecs for media and other software that doesn't fit in FOSS category (it's also one of t the reasons why Ububtu became so popular in my opinion, it just works works out of the box)

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Fedora includes non free firmware as per there policy

    [–] killthefish@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

    doesn't include nvidia drivers, doesn't include codecs needed to play proprietary media.

    [–] mihnt@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Ubuntu ships only Gnome IIRC

    ~~Unity is it's default.~~

    Ubuntu switched back to GNOME as default six years ago

    [–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Live CD? More like live blu ray

    CDs were 700MB

    [–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

    You definitely haven't seen Bazzite yet

    [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    If only there was some alternative distro without the bloat. Say, one link down from that one.

    [–] dopeshark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Hopefully has some games bundled in

    [–] jaromil@fed.dyne.org 1 points 1 year ago

    try dynebolic.org 1.5GB live OS including many pre installed applications like kdenlive, audacity, ardour and OBS...

    [–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I bet a ton of it is Nvidia and AMD junk.

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago

    Linux shipping all drivers by default is a problem

    ~~Donald trump~~ VanillaOS please save me from these people πŸ™ πŸ™Œ

    [–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    <3 Debian network install image.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

    Or Linux Mint regular ISO. You know its bad when Linux mint has a comparatively small iso

    [–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi -1 points 1 year ago

    Is Ubuntu enshittifying?