This is kind of by design since these books are all criticisms of the status quo.
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This is the worst Venn diagram I've ever read and even if it wasn't the point would still suck.
I’m 14 and this is deep brah
This chart really makes no sense at all. How does Lord of the Flies lie at the intersection of The Handmaid’s Tale, 1984, and Fahrenheit 451?
One’s about an ultra-conservative theocracy, one’s about government surveillance and propaganda, and one’s about destroying books because people’s attention spans have reduced past the ability to read and they’re too long/confusing/depressing. I guess authoritarianism might lie at the heart of all these? Meanwhile, though, Lord of the Flies is more about the dangers of unchecked groupthink and how it can lead to violence and cruelty.
Congratulations, someone has figured out that science fiction is often a commentary on contemporary society.
Venn diagrams representing more than 3 sets don't work if you keep using 2d circles to represent all the sets. For example, in this diagram there's no intersection of ºF451 with and only with BNW, or 1984 with and only with AHT.
You can do 4 just fine, it just looks goofy
Those are ellipses, not circles. So what I said is still the truth.
I get that the picture is more art than an actual representation of anything. With that said even as art The Matrix in my opinion doesn't really fit there. Like it's entirely within the bounds of The Handmaid's Tale so keeping with the Ven Diagram aesthetic with artistic license it means that The Matrix is most like The Handmaid's tale, which isn't not. The Handmaid's Tale is a feminist story about the domination of women in society, The Matrix is a philosophical exploration of the questions what is real and do we have free choice.
Maybe the argument could be made they're both about choice but that feels hollow. Maybe put The Hunger Games there I'm definitely over thinking this.
5+ sets are also possible and can get very intricate.
Of course, since the writers lived "here", were all human and shaped by many of the same events. The question is what does that middle circle contain? I could be banal like "has human characters"...
That’s actually soothing. Allow me to latch on to that to the exclusion of scarier options.
The middle circle contains small parts of motives from these novels: Handmaids tale: descending women rights etc
"Handmaid's tail etc"?
How do you give one example of 25% of the chart and say "because of this one weird thing, basically everything equals the middle circle"
Yeah but if there is supposed to be overlap between all movies/books it's going to be generic like "Shit's fucked up"
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Currently it's technically "what's common in all 4 of those books", tho. I guess union and not intersection is a bit more suitable, but still not quite, and I'm too lazy to try to remember set theory stuff and search for something better
People who think we live in the worst possible timeline ever instead of just a subpar timeline that could be better be like:
No your comment being deleted for violating the sub's rules is not "literally 1984", you hyperbolic fuck
Some of those intermediaries make no sense to me lol. Feels like they were just plopped in since they're 'dystopian'.
Why isn't Clockwork Orange directly between 1984 and BNW? It's all about drugs and gangs then law catching up to them in over the top ways. Why is Soylent Green there? Isn't that just full on eat people because we're recycling? How is that anything close to BNW? Maybe some brutalist efficient elements but that doesnt make sense for either 1984 or BNW. 1984 never had the sense of efficiency. It was all about gaslighting, false narrator, and an unknown system trying to make alternative facts...
The film doesn't make it clear, but the novel of A Clockwork Orange, it's definitely a dystopian future England which is turning into a police state because of the huge number of youth gangs.
This lemming reads.
The "recycling" in Soylent Green is due to global warming and overpopulation causing a bunch of food scarcity. It's definitely prescient in that way, but also weird in the context of the diagram.
Brazil?
Brazil & 1984 are thematically closer than probably any other pair on the chart, yet they're shown to not intersect. I question the methodology.
The whole diagram makes no fucking sense.
For me it's right, no matter if they mean the movie or the country.
You’ll need to file a 27b/6 with information retrieval to answer that question.
They need to add idiocracy
The middle one?
Hot take:
With genocide and eugenics on the rise again in the real world, maybe we shouldn't be celebrating a movie whose entire premise is eugenics.
"Here's what horrible things could happen if we continue to let the wrong people breed while the right kind of people breed to little!"
I've always interpreted that movie as the exact opposite. Here's what happens if you replace natural selection with corporate interest. The guy who time traveled was not a genius in his time.
In the words of Mike Judge "I can't stop people from interpreting stuff"
And here I am just enjoying life, the tech we got, and decent health 🤷♂️
Perspective I guess.
Nope, my life is the Truman Show.
LOL, you've always got the best jokes Sotuanduso.
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What the hell are you talking about, Margo?
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Who are you talking to??
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Logan's Run had the hottest people and no boomers to infate housing prices so I'm going that direction. Welp, time to head to carrousel
30 will be here a lot quicker than you think. I also used to think 30 was old AF when I was 20.
Now I'm 41 and I don't know how it happened so goddamn fast. Every year, I get more and more anxious about trying to get shit done before my time comes.
What are you trying to get done? This is your life right now. Enjoy it, don't spend it worrying about the end.
Acquire property to call my own for one. This renting thing is getting real old. Something to leave my kid other than a busted up old car would be nice.
Edit: Hey, looks like zoomers and old millennials aren't so different after all. They're right. The fuckin' boomers took it all.
Contrary to popular similar stories I had the feeling that I was in my 20-25s for “I was there for a long time” and I was eager for the next decades (with a small break for depression but I got through) Now I’m 28 and it kinda feels it speeds up but I don’t complain (but I do complain about everything else, A LOT)
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Being 36, I also wish I died 6 years ago.
When I was a wee nipper I said I was gonna throw myself off a tall building at 30, live fast die young and all that.
I'm 40 next year...
Here is idiocracy
The documentary starring Luke Wilson and Maya Rudolph?
Yes
As someone who has read none of these books, let me give my expert opinion on why you're wrong: /s
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