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The Israel that I meet every day is made up of people who want to forge a path towards peace and security for all

Since the beginning of the war, I’ve met Arab-Jewish civil society organisations that exemplify this spirit, providing assistance across diverse communities.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
[–] MistressMaiden@pawb.social 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

So I did a little research on this -mostly because every Israeli person I’ve talked to IRL and online vehemently hates what their government is doing. And I found that this article states that the poll was taken from Israel Hayom, which according to Wikipedia is:

Owned by the family of Sheldon Adelson, a personal friend and benefactor of Prime Minister Benjamin NetanyahuIsrael Hayomhas often been criticized for portraying Netanyahu in an overly positive light.[8] In turn, Netanyahu has been accused of attempting to benefit Adelson's investments.

Basically, careful where you get your sources. A Palestinian YouTuber I follow said “don’t trust Western media” and I have to back up that statement here. These people have an agenda, and Israel Hayom’s agenda is to help make Bibi look good.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for clarifying this. Are there other israel sources with better polling?

[–] MistressMaiden@pawb.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Haaretz seems to be a better alternative. Wiki says it’s left leaning and praised for its reporting and commentary.

And of course! Can’t trust much these days unfortunately.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Their conclusion that >50% of israelis refuse to give Palestinians a state is interesting but I can't really find any numbers about support for the Genocide in israel

[–] MistressMaiden@pawb.social 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It’s the closest article I could find without having to go on an hours-long rabbit hole of trying to find out something better. Sorry about that.

But yeah, it is interesting. Tbh it kinda reminds me about how half of Russia supports the war in Ukraine and half of the US supported Trump. Half of everyone (or half of everyone who’s making their voice heard) is going nuts these days

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

there is also more than 70% Israeli public support for a large-scale military operation against Hezbollah in Lebanon

Uh-oh.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

But but but Palestinians support Hamas too!!! Both sides!! (/s)

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Moreover, they don’t want to witness further bloodshed in Gaza; instead they want to see the elimination of the murderous terrorism that declared war on Israel and slaughtered us mercilessly on that terrible day.

And Palestine wants its country back, the one you stole. They want to see the end of the murderous terrorism and genocide that invaded them so many decades ago, that every year kills their children and parents.

Thousands of Israeli citizens have taken to the streets, advocating for immediate elections, a deal for the hostages, and a more accountable leadership.

Where are the protests against the genocide Israel commits?

Why do you only protest against what’s affecting you and not what evils you are doing?

We must not allow Netanyahu – who is accused of criminal activity including fraud, bribery and breach of trust (he denies the allegations), who made dangerous alliances with extremists to form his government, and has even attempted to turn Israel into a de facto dictatorship through his government’s controversial attempt to pass “judicial reform” to dictate our relations and divide us.

You voted him into power multiple times over decades, you let him do this, don’t try to pin it all on him. As if Israel is the victim here and Bibi rubbed a magic lamp to get into his position of power against Israel’s wishes.

Israeli citizens are the ones thwarting Netanyahu’s authoritarianism, we are the ones holding him back in this moment.

Israeli citizens are the ones committing the massacres. It’s not magical robot ghosts marching in uniforms, firing tank shells, and raining bombs on Palestine.


Imagine a German during WW2 saying they were the real victims and the ones fighting Hitler. This is the revolting attitude on display in this opinion piece.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 29 points 7 months ago
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[–] livus@kbin.social 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is no doubt the ruthless leaders of Hamas are willing to starve the residents of Gaza to death for the sake of the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people.

That's not who is stopping aid trucks from entering, killing medics, and killing humanitarian aid workers. She's refusing to hold Israel accountable for its war crimes.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, they’re trying to spin this on Hamas while Israel is the very one not allowing food trucks and human aid for the Palestinians.

It is also not Hamas who’s killing thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians.

It seems they’re now trying to spin everything on Hamas while when looking back on history - it is clear as day.

EDIT: for the people that are downvoting me; you can keep downvoting but history does not lie and you cannot bend it to your liking. Israel literally has been murdering Palestinian civilians since 1948 up until today. They never have been ‘easy’ for allowing human aid, food trucks for Palestinians.

History does not lie. It never will.

Note: used the word “easy” due to the lack of a better word (or perhaps there’s but I don’t know it).

I believe in a pre-1948 Israel.

[–] Jews4Palestine@lemmy.today 24 points 7 months ago

I believe in a world without Zionism.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (8 children)

And so begins the inevitable "this is actually just Bibi's fault, not us poor Israelis!" PR spin to try and get people to sympathise with the colonizers who will just elect an even more racist and evil genocidaire to do their bidding.

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[–] eardon@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I think zionists are starting to infest lemmy.

They know how threatening it is to have a platform where people aren't loyal to their cause.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

It’s not Zionism to understand that the Israeli people do not want war. 21% of Israelis are Palestinian. Netanyahu currently has a 15% favorability rating among Israelis. There are protests in the tens of thousands in the streets of Israel. He’s simply not long for this position.

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[–] pwalshj@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"The state of Israel is in the midst of a difficult war..." Stopped reading.

[–] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

But have you considered the pitched and complex conflict between [an advanced first world military] and [starving children]

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I believe in an Israel called Germany.

Give them Germany.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

This is what should have happened, since lots of Berlin stores and apartments were stolen from Jewish people.

Although you have to understand that no Jewish person would take back their property in Germany after the war. Not only was it in cities that had been bombed out, their German neighbors had recently locked them up in concentration camps. Any sane Jewish person would want to get the fuck out of Germany.

But maybe they should have gotten their property back after 10 years or so.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Dissolve this awful ethnostate experiment of a country

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

I believe in a two-state solution will full recognition of Palestine

[–] anas@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I believe in no israel. No peace will be achieved until Palestinians get every inch of their land back.

[–] Binthinkin@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine having George Bush or Putin lead your country into a grave. That’s what Ben is doing. He’s tried this dumb loser shit for 20 years.

Israel is being held hostage by militarist douchebags who couldn’t lead themselves out of a phone booth.

I hope Israel gets rid of him and his friends.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Gee how’d he get into power for 20 years?

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