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[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Some joke about Germany and genocide I don't know my fingers are cold you get it.

[-] JesterIzDead@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

Dear Germany, the statute of limitations has expired on guilt. You can stop supporting genocide, now (or can you?)

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's probably in their best interests to put the shovel down at this point.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When the old Nazis of the Adenauer govt started supporting Israel (and the genocide convention), they did that not out of genuine guilt, but because the US said so, and so they could use it as in their anti-communist propaganda ("See we are morally superior and you're doing all these terrible things over there in the east. Maybe we need to do something about that!").

Perhaps later generations actually started to feel ashamed for their opas, but they too used this as justification. "Oh we're sooo repentant, that makes us so much better than all you unrepentant sinners and btw it means we definitely need to bomb Belgrade."

And now they're using it to pummel Palestinians (and also all Muslims, both in Germany and elsewhere), because those have not accepted they're also filthy sinners/antisemites, and the Germans can put all their opas' sins on that scapegoat and be cleansed. And who better to put this on and punish, than the people they already hate, and whose resources they want to steal.

tl;dr It was originally fake abuser logic, and now se Germans have it internalized, because it makes them feel superior and can be used as a weapon.

They don't need get rid of their guilt, they can just stop abusing it for their selfish desires.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

What does Germany get out of supporting Israel? The Arab countries are much more powerful then Israel, in terms of trade and so forth.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

They trade with all of them, so it's not like they have to choose.

Germany sells a ton of weapons to Israel, and they also buy weapons and surveillance tech from Israel. German foreign policy is basically copy-pasted from Washington, and they are all-in on the US empire (which the German capitalists benefit(ted) from massively, at least up to recently), so every reason the US has to support Israel also applies to Germany.

It also allows them to transfer their guilt/responsibility to Muslims, which are convenient punching bags for politicians to use in order to gather votes from the Islamophobic German public. And it makes (made?) them look good: they can pretend to have learned from the Nazi past, and pretend not be antisemites by getting approval from (Zionist) Jews, which, in the past, actually improved their image domestically and internationally (in the all-important West at least). And, like I said before, it gives them an air of moral superiority and righteousness to pretend they're totally reformed, no longer Nazis, seen the error of their ways (swear to god!). And they can lord that over their enemies, and use it to convince the public to support military aggression in the name of defeating another Hitler, or preventing another Holocaust (which is Germany's special responsibility, you see!).

With what Israel is doing right now, and social media showing the utter horror, it no longer looks very good internationally, but domestically, pro-Israel sentiment among the German public (and even more so institutionally and and in the press) is still incredibly high, so saying the most unhinged pro-Israel shit is actually genuinely popular. And with the repression of pro-Palestinian voices that's not going to change anytime soon either. People are genuinely afraid to speak up, lest they get fired, smeared, blacklisted, or arrested. German language media is like US media from 30 years ago in terms of uncritical pro-Israel views.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Why does Germany support America's unsinkable aircraft carrier? Hmm.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 26 points 1 month ago

Dear Germany,

It's okay, we don't really expect anything better from you. We know that your promise to "never forget" was a lie and that you don't really care. Quite frankly, the rest of the Western world has similar issues, so why bother trying to be better?

Just let the masses in Palestine die, don't let it get in the way of your arms sales to Israel or the Israeli lobbyists who almost certainly plague your government. After all, nearly every other Western country does the same, do they not? Hell, the self-appointed "world police" that is the United States can't tear itself away from AIPAC long enough to acknowledge what has been sitting in front of us, bloodstained and emaciated, for the past several months.

So it's okay. Don't try to be better. We understand that your culture just has a strange lust for genocide which even the shame of the Holocaust couldn't quell. We understand that Germans are just like that. The Palestinians don't matter; they're only human lives. We've got 8.1 billion humans on this planet, who cares if a few thousand or even a few million go missing here or there. A statistical error in the face of such numbers.

Hey, a little bit of genocide might even be good for the human ecosystem. Plus, once Israel is done with Gaza, they might even let NATO do a little nuclear testing on the West Bank, as a treat. Wouldn't that be nice? First nuclear tests in decades. We gotta keep up with China, India and Russia somehow, right?

So don't worry, just give Israel money and arms so they can glass Gaza. The world will surely be better off.

Sincerely,

An American who is very fed up with corrupt politicians allowing Israel to get away with whatever they want; an American who hoped that Germany of all places, would be able to see and denounce the atrocities being committed by Israel.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

We understand that your culture just has a strange lust for genocide which even the shame of the Holocaust couldn't quell. We understand that Germans are just like that.

Thank you, dear fed up American. I always wondered why I felt this constant urge. I thought there might be something wrong with me. But now that I finally know it's just my German nature, I feel liberated and full of energy. Oh, what a wonderful time to be alive!

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago

Glad to have helped you out! Once I realized that my insatiable need to consume oil and shoot guns was a natural part of my American genealogy, I stopped worrying about climate change and school shootings. It really is freeing, isn't it?

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Indeed. I'll get to planning then. Maybe we can work together sometime.

[-] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I heard that in Londo's voice from Babylon 5. Awesome.

[-] sandman@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

one of the speakers was subject to a ban on political activity in Germany.

Wtf? Lol.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He apparently praised the founder of PFLP on other occasion, which means he gets doubly hated by German govt because PFLP are Palestinian communists.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Germany didn't even need the AfD to turn into a Nazi police state.

The social democrat party is going for the national socialist rebrand.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago

Fuck Israel.

https://kolektiva.media/w/ba1cb5b0-521f-4aee-9334-bd5ab1dd16e1

Donate to legal funds for those who get captured by police on April 15th or get your ass to a demonstration. This needs to stop.

[-] The_Cunt_of_Monte_Cristo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Genocidal countries back up each other. How lovely.

[-] m13@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Germans and genocide. Name a more iconic duo.

[-] hernanca@beehaw.org 6 points 1 month ago

Germany didn't disconnect the genocide battery, they just changed the polarity.

[-] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

night of the long knife...

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 0 points 1 month ago

Wow. In Germany you can be banned from speaking about politics.

When did the fucking stasi come back?

[-] Toldry@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

“A speaker was projected who was subject to a ban on political activity,” Berlin police said on social media. “There is a risk of a speaker being put on screen who in the past made antisemitic and violence-glorifying remarks. The gathering was ended and banned on Saturday and Sunday.”

The UK’s Jewish Chronicle reported last year that Abu Sitta spoke at a Beirut ceremony on the anniversary of the death of a founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), Maher Al-Yamani.

The report said Abu Sitta wept as he “hailed the late terror group founder for his success at striking fear into the hearts of Israelis.”

Terrorists from the PFLP participated in the devastating October 7 attack.

On October 8, Abu Sitta promoted a social media post which said Gazans should “fight back and die in dignity” as they were “going to die anyway,” the UK’s Jewish News reported.

Source

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But of course Israelis are not held up to the same standard when it comes to glorifying violence. As far as I know, Germany has not banned any of the extremists of the Israeli governing clique currently commiting atrocities in Gaza while loudly broadcasting genocidal language.

Not to mention that not all violence is the same. Even on Oct 7th, while the attacks on civilians are unquestionably absolutely reprehensible and deserving absolute condemnation (same as the attacks on civilians by the IDF and the settler militias), there was also legitimate resistance violence. IDF is an occupying force, its soldiers and its bases and installations are 100% legitimate targets for armed resistance (same as actual Hamas fighters are legitimate targets for the IDF).

[-] Toldry@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

Which Israeli speakers do you think should have been barred from speaking in Germany if they were even handed in censorship?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To start, those whose statements are cited in South Africa's ICJ submission.

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