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[–] grue@lemmy.world 59 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'll translate from mob-boss-speak: when Trump says "finish up," he means "complete the extermination of the Palestinian people quickly, before the anti-genocide opposition can finish mobilizing to stop it."

[–] Sizzler@slrpnk.net 5 points 7 months ago

"Donald Trump did not expressly direct him to reverse engineer financial statements, he ordered him to do so indirectly, in his 'mob voice.'"

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

what anti-genocide opposition?

Biden hasn't even stepped back an inch on supporting Israel even after all the protests, resignations, and blatant evidence of war crimes.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm talking about the anti-genocide protestors in Israel and elsewhere who keep getting threatened, arrested, censored, etc.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah I was confused because you said "mobilize" which made it seem like you meant opposition party.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I mean, surely there are some political parties in Israel opposed to the genocide.

[–] Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's incredibly speculative. What reason do you have to think Trump cares HOW the conflict ends? When has trump ever cared about anyone besides himself?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well, for starters, Trump also said that Israel needs to "finish what they started" and what they started was a genocide, so...

He also said Israel needs to "get it over with" and that's something you say when you want someone to complete an unpleasant task rather than abandon it.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

But just some, not a lot.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Uh oh, now Lemmy ml won't know who to tell Americans to vote for.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 7 months ago

Why is the New York Times reporting on the feelings of a random far-right Israeli? Who pitched this story to them? This story says more about the Times' view of what is newsworthy than anything substantive about Trump's relationship with Israel or the right.

It just comes across as more "both sides" white-washing. If you look hard enough you can find a source for whatever message you want to put out and then just couch it in "some say".

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I feel like trump never really supported Israel. It's never been one of his big campaign issues and his isolationist tendencies push him away from it. He likes netanyahu like he likes the Saudis because they kiss his ass, but like all the sycophants who surround him he'll abandon them as soon as they start being a liability, and this war, even with his base, is starting to become a liability.

He's the opposite of Biden in that way, Trump had no particular attachment to Israel and would probably be fine if it stopped but his party is pulling him into a hard-line approach. Meanwhile Biden has been a passionate Zionist his whole political career and is being pulled by the left in the party to a call for ceasefire.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 7 months ago

I feel like trump never really supported Israel.

He's not genuinely religious. I doubt he's a believer but he's definitely not a true-believer. He just knows the rubes mostly are. Convenient exploitation plus dog-whistle.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago

Fuck Israel.