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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.

A better solution would be to have both at the same time.
Browser says: x number of CAs say that this site is authentic (click here for a list). Do you trust this site? Certificate fingerprint: ... Certificate randomart: ...

And then there would be options to trust it once, trust it temporarily, trust it and save the cert. The first 2 could also block JS if wanted.

I can see this would annoy the mainstream users, so probably this should be opt-in, asked at browser installation or something like that.

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.

Now, if you want to know if the site was compromised or malicious, that’s a different problem entirely. Certificates do not and cannot serve that function, and it’s wrong to place that role on CAs. That is a security and threat mitigation problem and is better solved by client-based applications, web filtering services, and next-gen firewalls, that use their own reputation databases for that.

A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.

Public key cryptography, and certificates in particular, are an amazing system. They don’t need to be scrapped because there’s a ton of misunderstanding as to its role and responsibilities.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago

I don't really care if a site is who they say they are, I'm the one connecting to the site, if the site does what I expect, they are serving their purpose. The only thing I use SSH/HTTPS for is to make sure that whatever communication between me and the site can't be snooped. A CA allows a third party to snoop that traffic, and I have no indication they are doing it.