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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What job do you have where you’re not allowed to take care of your health when necessary?

[–] tryagain@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think we can all guess the country. I wish you all the best, wakkawakkawakka.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

North Korea has the world’s worst human rights, so when they made it sound like only one country had this issue, that was my guess. I’m in North America and never experienced what is described. Unless I’m wrong to have even the amount of faith required to believe there are no North Korea denialists here.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

North Korea has the world’s worst human rights

You understand propaganda like a fish understands water

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I say that, I'm going by every regular source that ever existed, plus satellite images, its near-impossible standards for leaving or entering, its lack of internet access (who here has seen anyone who is actually from North Korea), and the fact that the average North Korean adult is only five feet tall, with height being an indicator of health (the taller the healthier). What do you weigh against it that inspires you to posit it's all just propaganda and hearsay? Other hearsay (as opposed to a conflict within the narrative you oppose)?

[–] booty@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I say that, I'm going by every regular source that ever existed

"regular source" citations-needed

its near-impossible standards for leaving or entering

did you know these are imposed on them externally? their policy is that they love tourists. here's a video of a couple of australian tourists enjoying themselves there. the reason americans can't go there is because the US forbids it.

its lack of internet access (who here has seen anyone who is actually from North Korea),

it's a country under brutal siege for its entire history. yes, they're poor. whose fault is that?

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regular sources as in MSNBC, CNN, NPR, Wikipedia, etc. sources that are the most established, enough that they're among the top 500 websites and that they show up on the first page of a Google search. Not to mention a random source is going to have random origins, trust in a source has to be earned and even with trusted sources you must compare and contrast them sometimes.

The restrictions for leaving and entering have not been imposed on them externally, this attitude of Korea predates even the Roman empire so external factors wouldn't have been possible as a cause, even though it's undeniable there are nations that have restricted anyone from going there. Japan used to be the same way at different points in history, though for the time being they're open to everyone.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sources
Wikipedia

michael-laugh

The restrictions for leaving and entering have not been imposed on them externally, this attitude of Korea predates even the Roman empire so external factors wouldn't have been possible as a cause

jesse-wtf

come back when you can form a coherent thought

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In what way is it not coherent? Am I supposed to communicate almost wholly in pictures like you’re doing instead of links (it should be noted your pictures appear as transparent blocks either due to the defederstion settings or a glitch thereof).

Apologies if my semantics/grammar are too loose, as English is not my first language (it’s always hard translating Asiatic languages into English), though an online grammar checker said it was fine.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we are having a conversation about a country which has existed for less than 100 years why the fuck are you talking about the roman empire and the joseon dynasty

Apologies if my semantics/grammar are too loose

your grammar is fine, it is the content of your posts which is utterly useless.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has existed at various times throughout history in different forms and even aspects of the state ideology such as Cheondoism are simply modern manifestations of ancient tradition. There is nothing new about it or its cultural attitudes, not if you ask the Chinese and not if you ask the later Christian missionaries who attempted to do anything there only to be punished for existence.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you have some very strange, very incorrect ideas about the DPRK built on a foundation of circular logic. please start de-propagandizing yourself with that video i linked earlier, it's a very good one.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on a video of yours (which I did watch) or based on all the sources I gave (which are plenty and back my "foundation of circular logic")?

[–] booty@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You linked two things. One of these is an article about literal ancient history, and the other is an article about three Christians who all lived and died long before the country we're discussing existed. Please, please explain to me how your "sources" are in any way relevant to the topic at hand.

Your circular logic is as follows: The DPRK is isolationist. We know it's isolationist because they don't let people in. We know they don't let people in because they're isolationist. No, I won't pay any attention to the hard fact that they do, in fact, let people in, and that it is in fact their enemies who do not let people into their country.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Point to where I said “we know they don’t let people in because they’re isolationist”.

Also, my sources explain how the two Koreas manifested themselves in the past. Your counter sounds a lot like the old “the Roman republic was not the Roman empire” which isn’t true. They weren’t called North and South Korea at the time. Names change. Governmental systems change. It happens.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Point to where I said “we know they don’t let people in because they’re isolationist”.

Sure! It was right here.

The restrictions for leaving and entering have not been imposed on them externally, this attitude of Korea predates even the Roman empire

Anyway, we're at an impasse here. You've decided that the DPRK is not a distinct country and that all you need to know about their laws can be extrapolated from the ancient history of the Korean peninsula, and that anything modern which contradicts your juvenile interpretation of ancient history must simply be made up. I have no idea what species of brainworm is responsible for this ridiculous conspiracy theory, and I am not qualified to exterminate it.

[–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In communist North Korea, over a million died from COVID, 45,000 die a year from lack of health insurance, and 200,000 die annually from poverty.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Hey wait a second…