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"If you tell a lie big enough and tell it frequently enough, people will eventually come to believe it". What is an example of this happening today? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 11 months ago by Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I'd rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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[–] Syldon@feddit.uk -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Notice how you didn’t include any evidence of Xi being a dictator

Aside from the fact that no one is allowed to run for elections unless they have party approval. China doesn't even try to hide that there is no real democracy there.

Proving incompetence is a higher bar than at will employment actually

Subjective.

They materially don’t.

Again subjective.

China isnt involved in carrying out a genocide rn, and China hasn’t destabilized the middle east through mass violence. China is better.

Come on. Uighurs must surely count as human beings. That is just plain wrong man.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Aside from the fact that no one is allowed to run for elections unless they have party approval. China doesn’t even try to hide that there is no real democracy there.

  1. They literally have 9 parties
  2. if one political party had 95 percent approval rating(based on western polling, the cpc does) it is reasonable that there is one major party and 8 minor parties

Come on. Uighurs must surely count as human beings. That is just plain wrong man.

That propaganda:

A) is being spread by adrien zenz, a nazi paid by a cia front group to spread shit, who claims God gave him a personal mission to destroy china

B) is old news that was abandoned when the area opened up for tourism again, and there were magically no camps

C) isn't believed by basically every Muslim country on earth who sent delegations to see what was going on, meanwhile the US which cares so much about Muslims it is enabling genocide against muslims as we speak thought it is happening before they walked it back. Give me a break.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They literally have 9 parties

Does dissuade from the fact that only Communist-party backed candidates can appear in the election. This was the reason there were so many rioters in HK. And hence, why so many were imprisoned or ran from the country for asylum elsewhere.

That propaganda:

Propaganda is a made up narrative to persuade an objective viewpoint. What is happening with Uighurs has a lot of factual video evidence, including first hand reports from those who fled to Türkiye. If it is so untrue why won't China allow visiting diplomats talk about it?

is old news that was abandoned when the area opened up for tourism again, and there were magically no camps

Unbelievably crass opinion. https://www.wired.com/story/xinjiang-uyghur-culture-tourism/

Talking to locals about the camps was impossible. “You can’t really talk to them, because then you’re putting them in danger,” Wack says. “If you mention anything political, they cut the conversation short.” Because he couldn’t visit the camps themselves, he was forced to suggest their presence by documenting how the region has changed. For decades, the Communist Party has been trying to eliminate markers of Uyghur identity and remake Xinjiang so that it appears more “Chinese.” As part of the Belt and Road Initiative, the government has been building major infrastructure projects like high-speed trains and superhighways through the remote province. It has also encouraged Han Chinese, the country’s dominant ethnic group, to move to the area in order to dilute the percentage of Uyghurs living there.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does dissuade from the fact that only Communist-party backed candidates can appear in the election.

Source?

This was the reason there were so many rioters in HK.

The HK riots started over the lae that allowed extradition created to get a guy who murdered his wife in mainland China and then fled to HK

Propaganda is a made up narrative to persuade an objective viewpoint. What is happening with Uighurs has a lot of factual video evidence, including first hand reports from those who fled to Türkiye. If it is so untrue why won’t China allow visiting diplomats talk about it?

Source?

Unbelievably crass opinion. https://www.wired.com/story/xinjiang-uyghur-culture-tourism/

Lol Wired. And the first link to a claim is straight up from Adrian Zenz.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In your opinion. Most of the world has a different opinion. I wont bother responding to your alternate account. Seriously, using two accounts to barrack a differing opinion, sigh.

You state a lot of BS while providing absolutely no evidence to give it any credit, other than your bias towards the west. What links does this guy have to "wired" or the many other media sources that show exactly what is going on in China.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Most of the world has a different opinion.

Almost all of the Muslim world including US allies share my opinion actually:)

In your opinion. Most of the world has a different opinion. I wont bother responding to your alternate account. Seriously, using two accounts to barrack a differing opinion, sigh.

I do think it is funny that you think I have an alt just to tell you you have shitty takes twice. Two people just disagreed with you enough to comment.

You state a lot of BS while providing absolutely no evidence to give it any credit, other than your bias towards the west.

R/selfawarewolves

What links does this guy have to “wired” or the many other media sources that show exactly what is going on in China.

The wired article you shared literally relies on Zenz to cite many of its claims, as do basically all media sources who previously claimed it was happening.

I'm guessing you have a working brain, learn basic research literacy.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk -1 points 11 months ago

So yet again absolutely nothing to substantiate your point of view. GL with your life.