This is exactly what I mean by "just asking questions" being disingenuous at best. That's not a questions someone asks a person if they are legitimately "wanting to understand the other person’s side".

How can I agree or disagree if I don’t even know the rules

What rules? They made pretty clear statements about their position (unlike you). You can ask them clarifying questions and state your own position on the subject at the same time.

I don’t care for arguments that place individuals in the same category as large corporations.

It's possible for something to be wrong for both individuals and corporations to take part in. If someone is saying "slavery is bad" I don't need to hear some bullshit "Corporations who use slave labour are worse than individuals who use slave labour. Leave the individuals alone!" Both are bad. Corporations are worse, yes, but that doesn't give individuals a free pass. Both need to be stopped.

There are heroes and villains in every industry.

Yes, and the role of government should be to step in and stop the villains.

I did not set up the rules, I’m just following them. In the united states this is unfortunately how it functions.

That is exactly the point. This is how it functions and it shouldn't be. That doesn't change by people shrugging their shoulders and saying "it is what it is." It changes by people making noise about it until the rules are changed.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I personally believe that asking the details of why a person believes something is EXACTLY the right way to have a discussion because if you just scream at the person and say you're wrong, that person will just dig in and solidify his opinion.

This is why I'm not going to argue with you anymore because I'm pretty sure you're not going to change your mind and I'm sorry I don't live up to your expectations of not grabbing my sign and marching in front of congress.

I have never seen a successful positive movement toward the kind of government you portray. Instead what I have seen is my dollar going for positive change and corporation's billions of dollars going the other way. Given the fact that as a society we choose the worst examples of humanity to govern us, I don't see this changing. I only have one life and I'm just not heroic enough to donate it to one of the many causes that need it. I don't break the rules that I follow and I try not to make things worse, but I would be curious to know what arm waving you've done recently to change this predicament. Did you write your congressman? Get interviewed on TV? Write a book pointing out the tragedy? What exactly have you done and has it made a difference?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I personally believe that asking the details of why a person believes something is EXACTLY the right way to have a discussion because if you just scream at the person and say you're wrong, that person will just dig in and solidify his opinion.

Asking someone

So they should buy the house, pay the mortgage and let you stay there for free?

Is not an attempt at understanding why a person believes something. It's the passive aggressive equivalent to yelling at them that they're wrong.

I am not surprised in the slightest that when pushed to actually define and defend your stance you respond with

I'm not going to argue with you anymore

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I guess you're right. It IS horrible and I'm sure that some day society will understand it and put an end to it. Thank you for opening my eyes.