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[–] mitram2@lemmy.pt 5 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

I still don't understand the hate towards the AI features in Firefox.

Could they focus on other topics? Yes, but to get new users they have to meet them where they are and since Firefox is Foss you can remove what you don't like by joining a project focused on that.

IMHO some of the features are cool, specially, because it's local AI with no dependency on any provider

Could someone explain in a civilised manner why you don't like the AI features?

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The effort to put the AI into Firefox harmed the project and unrelated services. My opinion is it was not worth the cost

To me, AI in Firefox is a symbol for why and how Mozilla lost its momentum. I could have used other bone headed and incompetent decisions, but the switch to the AI had such a large burden that it’s literally the poster child for inept management.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 12 points 21 hours ago

Yes, but to get new users they have to meet them where they are

Do you want enshittification? Because that's how you get enshittification.

Provide a solid product, screw the customer. The customer doesn't know what they want, and they are always wrong.

[–] aaaa@piefed.world 2 points 17 hours ago

I didn't see anything running locally, just hooks to existing online chatbots. I'm not sure who is asking for that, but it feels like it isn't the users

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think the backlash is coming from the features. It's coming from the fact that we're constantly being prompted to please try the "AI" features. Companies installing "AI " on your devices without you asking. Re-installing them when you try to delete them. They don't even ~~tell~~ show you why it's better they just slap "AI" on it.

Anything that this tech does and is actually good, speaks for itself, so it just goes unnoticed. People end up associating it with the worst and now Firefox is also saying: Hey we have "AI" too. Of course people are gonna be mad, especially when they are already fed up with being prompted to try it constantly.

[–] mitram2@lemmy.pt 2 points 22 hours ago

So it's a PR problem?

I hate how everything depends on marketing (manipulation)

Thank you for your input

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that people can... And most don't even know, that they already use algorithms like the one in FF, on a daily basis, in Adobe-programs, in Spotify, in Youtube, on FB, and so forth... And FF is keeping peoples privacy, and the "AI" local... And the others I mentioned don't do that. They profile and sell, every facking one of them...

I have actually been able to "sell" Firefox to some people who wasn't ready to switch before, because they like AI... And they also like privacy...

But there will always be some, that will insist on something being bad - they need to keep their crusade going.

[–] IanTwenty@piefed.social 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think some of the answer is expressed in the article:

To service and retain this loyal userbase then, you might imagine that Mozilla would address their needs and concerns with what made Phoenix a great first version back in 2002. A lightweight and versatile standards-compliant and open-source web browser with acceptable privacy standards, and without any other non-browser features attached to it. Just a browser, only a browser, and above all, a fast browser.

Instead, Mozilla appear to be following a course calculated to alarm rather than retain these users. Making themselves an AI-focused organisation, neglecting their once-unbeatable developer network, and trying to sneak data gathering into their products.

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 0 points 20 hours ago

Gathering what data?

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 19 hours ago

because most of the ai features they're touting are around chatbots which are just websites, which makes it pointless to build into the browser.