The institutions in Mexico are very weak and Morena has not done that much to fortify them. They now have even more judicial and legislative power too. People feel the influence of cartels is still too strong and government accountability too low.

Why do you suppose the institutions are so weak or the cartels exist at all, never mind having significant power? You get that the CIA has largely been managing the global illegal drug trade for decades, right? Those cartels are there because the US wanted them there. The Iran-Contra affair wasn’t an aberration but a peek behind the curtain of the everyday activities of US empire.

[+] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are a lot of reasons why mexican institutions are weak. Does that mean we should dismiss grievances at their lack of transparency and accountability as the CIA because Morena happens to be in power? Cartel violence has infact terrorized Mexicans for decades now and have killed many other politicians before as well. Mind you the killing of a mayor and feeling that Morena is soft on cartel violence are some of the grievances of these protests. You and the article are deflecting on this and trivializing the pain of those who live there as just another CIA op (which note that I never said the CIA wouldn't try and do something in some chaos). It is rather patronizing that westerners on this comm are trying to dismiss the whole thing.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does that mean we should dismiss grievances at their lack of transparency and accountability as the CIA because Morena happens to be in power

Again, no one dismissed anything, so why are you still shadowboxing this strawman?

[+] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your writing and tone is rather dismissive. Maybe you should put your pride to the side and read about what I am saying that there is much more happening here than just the CIA

Notice that I wrote about a Mayor and a 43? Those are morphing into a catch all of all kinds of violence and government and socity inability to reform. Not all of that has anything to do with the CIA.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Still the same strawman. No one said tgat every problem is caused by the CIA or that Mexico has no problems of its own, so why are you still arguing against a position that no one holds?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You framing the issues in terms of the CIA is dismissive of broader issues that these protest are taking on. By circling back to the CIA you are implicitly saying we don't need to take this seriously its just the CIA. I am willing to believe that was not your intent, but you should take some self reflection of how your writing is being interpreted if that is the case.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You framing the issues in terms of the CIA is dismissive of broader issues that these protest are taking on.

The article wasn’t about whatever grassroots grievances Mexicans may have; it was about astroturfing.

If you want to have a discussion about broader issues in Mexico then post about them.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

I am willing to believe that was not your intent, but you should take some self reflection of how your writing is being interpreted if that is the case.

Well, I guess I was wrong.