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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because the Ayatollah is the Shah lol

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The monarchs of Iran ruled for over two and a half millennia, beginning as early as the 8th century BC and enduring until the 20th century AD. The earliest Iranian monarch is generally considered to have been either Deioces of the Median dynasty (c. 727–550 BC) or Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid dynasty (550–330 BC). The last Iranian monarch was Mohammad Reza Pahlavi of the Pahlavi dynasty (1925–1979), who was overthrown in the Islamic Revolution. Since then, Iran has been governed by theocratic supreme leaders.^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_Iran]

"Shah of Iran" redirects to that page.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You know, sometimes it's ok for you to be wrong. I know hexbear is a community where everything is literal, but in this case, an Iranian Monarch and Iranian Supreme Leader are just different titles for two different authoritarian Regimes.

Just like Xi Jingping is the Authoritarian Ruler of China, like Mao was.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is just aggressive ignorance. It's not a matter of opinion or dependent on ideology. It's basic history and terminology.

an Iranian Monarch and Iranian Supreme Leader are just different titles for two different authoritarian Regimes

Precisely. They are different words which refer to different regimes (separated by a revolution). If you use them interchangeably you will confuse people.

Show me literally anyone else who refers to the Ayatollah as the Shah. Do an image search for "Shah of Iran" and look at the results.

Xi and Mao are/were leaders of the same regime (The PRC), so that comparison actually makes sense. What you're doing is the equivalent of saying the emperor of China is the same as the president of the People's Republic of China.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Both are authoritarians that had people killed over dissent.

They are identical.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Authoritarianism isn't a very good measure of government, when a monopoly on violence is one of the defining characteristics of a state. The difference is often more perception than it is reality, and even then tyrants can be vastly different from each other. Abraham Lincoln had Northern dissenters killed, and suppressed peoples rights, yet he was still a peak president.

Richard Nixon is the Shah. Saddam Hussein is the Shah. Modern Spain had death squads killing political opponents in my lifetime. Where isn't lead by the Shah?

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The people Mao killed outside of the 4 Pests Campaign deserved it, tbh.

Also insert quote from Engles "On Authority."

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nuclear hot take, but there's no way to fit the required nuance here.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

I do not have the time nor energy to explain the entire Chinese Civil War, the White Terror, and the Century of Humiliation to people who think Winny the Pooh memes aren't racist.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fuck man, you just came out and said it lmfao wow

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

They're right, killing evil people is good, fucking duh

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Genghis Khan and Hitler were both authoritarians that had people killed over dissent.

Therefore, Genghis Khan invaded Poland in 1939 and put European Jews in concentration camps. They are identical.

I'm not talking about moral equivalence! You used the wrong term for the current head of state of Iran. Just learn and move forward, and stop acting like an arrogant ass when corrected.

I'm sorry if I sounded smug when I called out your initial error.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah and they are identical too. I wasn't referring to the head of state, I was insulting how the Iranian revolution replaced its tyrant with another tyrant.

All tyrants are the same. Their title is bullshit.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Goddamn you're dumb