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The article gives no indication as to how the model works (other neural networks) so it could be a fluke especially since it is not physics based.

The arstechnica piece has this at the bottom:

“It’s not immediately clear why the GFS performed so poorly this hurricane season,” Lowry wrote. “Some have speculated the lapse in data collection from DOGE-related government cuts this year could have been a contributing factor, but presumably such a factor would have affected other global physics-based models as well, not just the American GFS.”

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Effort question probably on the theoretical / opinion.

Do current models incorporate deliberate weather manipulation by man such as cloud seeding? Does human induced weather manipulation have a consequential effect on our models and actual butterfly effect IRL on weather systems?

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We're not actually very good at weather manipulation, either in theory or in practice. Maybe counterintuitively, we have a much better handle on what we'd need to do for climate manipulation (especially via aerosol injection), and there's definitely a robust research program investigating that, though it's relatively new. We started systematically studying geoengineering proposals as part of CMIP6 in 2015 (I was actually part of the inaugural working group!) and it's a pretty significant part of the overall effort now.

Our understanding of weather (as opposed to climate) manipulation is much shakier. The most high profile attempt to engage in it was probably in China before the Beijing summer Olympics, and there's not even a widespread consensus if it was successful. They attempted some significant cloud seeding to try to keep it from raining on the games, and it didn't rain, but we're not very confident that it was the cloud seeding that did it. Part of the reason to prefer physically grounded models, though, is that it's relatively easy to incorporate this stuff. The model doesn't care if cloud condensation nuclei are injected or naturally occurring. Would this have long-term butterfly type effects? Yeah, definitely, but the weather system is so chaotic that it honestly wouldn't really matter much. There's already a pretty hard time-horizon of about two weeks beyond which we might as well just be throwing darts to make predictions, and forecasts are really only reliable for 5-7 days out. Introducing deliberate weather manipulation wouldn't put us in a significantly worse position, and there are pretty hard to overcome mathematical reasons why it's challenging to improve forecasts beyond that timeframe already (at least for weather--obviously climate forecasting is different).

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for entertaining the question. Makes sense we're smol bean in the larger mix, but cool you were part of that. Thanks for sharing!