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Mark Carney’s first budget projects $78B deficit, program and civil service cuts (www.sootoday.com)
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The theme seems to be "reduce operating spending, increase capital spending". We'll see how that will blow over with the opposition.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't have anything in particular, as I haven't seen details, but the public service exists to serve the public, cutting the workforce ends up reducing services. Since we're on the edge of a recession I'd say tax the billionaires, go back and charge Google for the billions that we were supposed to get before Carney bowed down to trump. We will now also have many unemployed more unemployed people which causes strains in other areas. I remain unconvinced that cuts for austerity purposes are ultimately beneficial, raise taxes on the ultra wealthy instead

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

the public service exists to serve the public, cutting the workforce ends up reducing services.

But what services did we get with our ridiculous expansion of the public service over the last four years?

charge Google for the billions that we were supposed to get before Carney bowed down to trump.

If memory serves, the tax in total, wad supposed to bring in 2 billion. We are paying an order of magnitude more than that to deal with tarrifs affected industries. It seems pretty reasonable to assume something that hits trump's donors so precisely would elicit a reaction that would cost us much more than we brought in.

I’d say tax the billionaires

Sure, I'd like to as well. But there are I think less than 100 billionaires in Canada. Say we could soak them for even another 100 million a year each (which would be extraordinary and almost require some wild changes to the tax code because of the nature of their wealth, but let's put those complications to the side.) Groovy. Until what, 1 in 10 decide it's worth that 100 million plus the existing difference to move to the States or elsewhere. It's a tricky balance and I've yet to see any of our populist "just tax the rich!" really show their math.

Edit: finished my thought after clicking accidentally.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But what services did we get with our ridiculous expansion of the public service over the last four years?

Lets see what we miss out on if this budget passes.

If memory serves, the tax in total, wad supposed to bring in 2 billion. We are paying an order of magnitude more than that to deal with tarrifs affected industries. It seems pretty reasonable to assume something that hits trump's donors so precisely would elicit a reaction that would cost us much more than we brought in.

Great that's 2 billion we left on the table. We are paying more, but guess what bowing down to trump has left us where exactly? Are we just supposed to keep bending over for trump and his cronies? Fucking nationalize shit if they play that game.

Sure, I'd like to as well. But there are I think less than 100 billionaires in Canada. Say we could soak them for even another 100 million a year each. Groovy. Until what, 1 in 10 decide it's worth that 100 million plus the existing difference to move to the States or elsewhere. Its

Good riddance they are a plague. Make them pay their taxes before they leave. They don't bring in anything, they cost us. We subsidize their businesses, think O&G. We burn the planet so they can have another yacht, that they got through tax loopholes. Fuck them

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good riddance they are a plague. Make them pay their taxes before they leave.

Ummm, did you forget you propsed they would be the solution to our budget woes? Or are you not old enough to pay taxes and don't realize we do those on an annual basis? (Putting aside the fact that most billionaires don't earn it on taxed wages but more that they own unsold stock.)

We are paying more, but guess what bowing down to trump has left us where exactly?

One of the best tarrif rates in the world?

Fucking nationalize shit if they play that game.

Dafuq? You're saying nationalize google?

Jesus though, this is why it can be so hard to take progressives seriously. This is just mindless slogan yelling with zero thought.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ummm, did you forget you propsed they would be the solution to our budget woes? Or are you not old enough to pay taxes and don't realize we do those on an annual basis? (Putting aside the fact that most billionaires don't earn it on taxed wages but more that they own unsold stock.)

I never said they would be the sole solution lol. I'm old enough to pay taxes and I'm pissed that my tax dollars subsidize them, you should be too. There are businesses that get crazy tax breaks that we should take back, spend taxes on the population not the ultra wealthy. Yes close the fucking loopholes.

One of the best tarrif rates in the world?

I'd rather not be kissing his ass at all.

Dafuq? You're saying nationalize google

The infrastructure yes, but Google won't leave Canada if we enforce our laws because there are millions of Canadians and they would still make criminal amounts of money.

Jesus though, this is why it can be so hard to take progressives seriously. This is just mindless slogan yelling with zero thought.

And this is why it's so hard to take centrists seriously, this is just mindless asskissing and excuse making to keep getting bent further and further over the barrel. We keep this up and you will own nothing and be happy for it, with no rights, no privacy, living in a corporate town using musk bucks to buy your Microsoft verification cans.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remain unconvinced that cuts for austerity purposes are ultimately beneficial, raise taxes on the ultra wealthy instead

never said they would be the sole solution lol.

Okay, so if we're admitting your first plan of tax the wealthy is a little myopic here, which tax breaks are you considering removing? And how will this stop those businesses from instead, setting up shop in a lower tax, lower regulation, larger single market like Americas?

I’d rather not be kissing his ass at all.

How many people should lose their jobs because of your sense of pride? Just curious.

Google won’t leave Canada if we enforce our laws because there are millions of Canadians and they would still make criminal amounts of money.

Read what I wrote about the digital services tax. The concern was not that Google would leave.

And this is why it’s so hard to take centrists seriously

He just descends into mindless sloganning again. Everything I've said can be backed up, whereas your thoughts aren't even consistent in this single thread!

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alright, I see you won't take this seriously, and as such I won't take you seriously. Best of luck to you

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nothing says serious like: "We'll just get the billionaires to pay for it!"

"and if they leave?"

"We don't need them!"

Lol.

Cheers kid.