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Any possible relevant comment I want to make violates site policy. They are the 21st century Nazis.
Death, death, to the IDF!
That's rather impressive for Lemmy. I've seen open calls for violent actions stick around and not get banned on this platform. Might have been a different instance than .world though.
I mean, lemmy.world has to follow German law and reminder: saying "Palestinian people suffer" not followed by "...because of Hamas" is legally problematic there. Still, it's easy to misjudge one's relative freedom of speech: I am (un)lucky to live in a country with a higher rating than the US and it doesn't stop populists from whining when people's rights groups challenge their false and/or racist posters.
The Nazis were German fascists who thought the Jewish population was inhibiting their destiny of creating a master race. Israel does not maintain any of these views so while they are Israeli fascists they are not Nazis.
The ~~Nazis~~ Zionists were ~~German~~ Israeli fascists who thought the ~~Jewish~~ Palestinian population was inhibiting their destiny of creating a master race. Israel ~~does not maintain any of~~ was founded based on these views so while they are Israeli fascists they are ~~not~~ also neoNazis.
Your strikethroughs don’t mean ypur claim makes any sense. Israelis don’t believe they are destined to form a master race.
This is what you're arguing about. The intent in calling them Nazis isn't to insinuate they're members of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei and no one would assume that's the intent.
"Nazi" is common parlance as a shorthand for genocidal fascists because the Nazis are by far the most well-known genocidal fascists.
The meaningless semantic argument you're putting forth is either a useless distraction, or you're simply purposefully arguing in bad faith to derail the conversation.
That quote has me fucking rolling! Totally stealing it.
It's a pretty well established meme, so go ahead.
Second time today I'm part of the lucky 10,000!
No that claim is similarly ignorant. The Nazis are/were a specific party with a specific ideology that Israel is not perpetuating. It is factually incorrect to call them Nazis. This would be akin to labelling AOC a “communist”. AOC is not a communist nor is Israel a Nazi state.
This is of course ignoring the inherent question of racism that is always baked in to comparing the historic victims of Nazi racism to Nazis themselves.
You can hate Israel without making comparisons to the Nazis.
You explicitly acknowledge that they're just making comparisons while also suggesting they're calling Israel literal Nazis. Your trolling isn't even internally consistent.
No, they just believe that they are God's chosen people. Totally different.
The Nazis saw theor destiny as one that would cultivate the creation of an Aryan race. The Jewish faith believes they were chosen by their God to let everyone know what God expects of them. It’s very different.
Interesting that it's turning out so similarly, then.
Im really curious as to your education if you think they are going similarly.
It’s not, though. Both are supremacist ideologies with the same long term goals of eliminating those not in their in group.
They use terms like sub-human.
I've heard that term used by another group before....
Pedant gonna pedant.
Nah, it’s messed up to make direct comparisons between Nazis and Jewish people, Roma people or any other ethnicity that was targeted for elimination by Nazis.
It isn’t pedantry as much as it is anti-racism.
Zionism is not a race.
A person bullied can still be a bully. A person that was horrifically abused can still be an abuser.
The Israelis in power are now ethnic cleansing Palestinians. Being Jewish or not doesn't even factor into the equation.
Ok buddy but nothing you write changes what “Nazi” means. Nazis are German fascists. Israeli fascists are not German fascists so they cannot be Nazis.
Slightly incorrect. Anyone identifying with Nazi ideology is a Nazi. There are genuine American Neonazis for example.
The fact you call them “Neo-Nazis” makes it clear there is a difference.
Do you think maybe that the person who originally made that comment knows this? Everyone else knew what they were saying, and I'm pretty sure you did too.
I think the dipshit who made this claim is not any more intelligent or informed than the dipshits that agree with it. The only real question at hand is how much of this comparison is just racism masking itself as something based around morality.
Stop defending Nazis. You're clearly a fascist yourself. Nobody else could possibly be interested in splitting the Nazi/Israel hair like this.
We see you. We hear you. The gulag beckons.
You know nothing about me and you clearly have a poor grasp on what is fascism given your reply. You don’t need to learn more about me but you should correct your complete lack of understanding as to what fascism is.
Im not arguing for Israel. I am outright stating they aren’t Nazis. Their government is much closer to the Jim Crowe era USA which while racist was similarly not a Nazi government.
The other thing I am calling attention to is the racism that is inherent in comparing Jewish people or any of the targets of Nazi genocide with the Nazis themselves. That’s really fucked up and no one should be doing this (though it is really common among the .ml crowd which is weird). p
It's not messed up to make valid comparisons
That’s not a valid comparison. It is vaguely racist though.
Sure thing, bud.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1c-_56yYGTJNit_GjUB-th5C8M4SKapOibN8vsmicakWNCA/viewform
https://zionism.wtf/ was a better "Zionist or Nazi Quote" quiz IMO but it doesn't seem to load properly anymore.
And that is still irrelevant.