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[–] DonkMagnum@lemy.lol 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Many people who do not vote very often correctly identify that the system is rigged against their interests and will not recognise their choice."

That's quite a claim.

Are you suggesting that elections are rigged? Or that electing NDP or Green MLAs won't create positive changes for the poor? Both premises are false, in my experience, and there are NDP-led provinces that prove it. I've watched this play out for the last 40 yea

Things are not perfect in those provinces, but they are objectively better off than in Ontario. Because people fucking voted. Not voting will always hand power to the conservatives, and giving people a BS excuse to do so is wildly irresponsible.

You can tell yourself whatever you want to excuse yourself for not voting, but please don't spread the lie to others.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Listen, I know it's frustrating for a lot of privileged people to adjust to the system's increasing hostility toward them, but you have to think about others if you really want to help out.

It is not an assumption that you are privileged, it is a deduction. Anyone who is marginalized knows that their vote rarely counts for anything. African Canadians had to fight for civil rights, queer people had to fight for civil rights, disabled people still don't have civil rights. You think indigenous peoples have the option to just vote their genocide away? None of these groups had the option to vote their way out of discrimination, we know that this system is rigged against us. That is not a "claim" like it's some niche suggestion, it is a fact for the many people you clearly have not thought much about. Great that you live in a system that is built for you, I don't care; I don't. I've voted in every election available to me in my adult life -- municipal, provincial, federal -- and my choice has been completely irrelevant in each one. Voting is the absolute bare minimum amount of power afforded to you, you can do more and treating it like some solution to our problems is, quite frankly, laughable.

You have started from the flawed assumption that this system is all that people have to improve their material security. Not only is that wrong, your conviction to it is an important mechanism in its ability to dominate our lives and marginalize these groups. To ask people who will suffer homelessness within months of ratification of these policies to wait for a vote is quite frankly one of the cruelest suggestions you could make. They. do. not. have. the. time. When you people focus on some righteous moral value attributed to voting, you satisfy yourselves with convenient inaction that is useless to the people most effected by these brutal policies.

You're forty years old at least? Howbout you grow up and accept that you aren't the center of the world and maybe people who have had to fight this state longer than you have experiences you can learn from. Voting is only a solution if your interests intersect with the state. That does not mean that people who criticize voting advocate against voting, it means we recognize that fixation on the moral purity of voting is antithetical to resistance. Real action is what is necessary right now. If you are able to, get involved in local activism, go to MPP's places of work and disrupt them until they give in. Take up space and make it impossible for them to take their power for granted, make local news pay attention to the problem, confront people you know about supporting them. People have used property destruction and defacement as a form of resistance many times in successful activist movements here.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Real action is what is necessary right now.

You're naive or stupid. Maybe both.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago

Keep licking boots.