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The Meetup (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 6 days ago by Veraven@sh.itjust.works to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Aha! I can deduce from your opposition to self-proclaimed environmentalists that you must hate the environment. I am very smart.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Is this a form of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Let's make it more complicated:

Ukraine is fighting a fascist Russia, or at least a fascism supporting Russia. Russia is, by their own account, fighting fascists in Ukraine.

For one of the countries, can it be said that the real fascists are the ones against fascism?

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think that one applies, no. I'm honestly not sure which or if really any logical fallacy applies here, but we don't have to accept others' false claims at face value - sometimes environmentalists don't actually want what's best for the environment, and sometimes fascists will lie and deflect in order to distract you from the fascist things they're doing.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean in the case of Russia and Ukraine, they are both fascists. But if you want an example thats less controversial, the nazi invasion of fascist Hungary.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine has fascists in the country, yes, just like every country in the world. In Russia the fascists are the ones in charge. Trying to draw an equivalence between the two to make Russia look like something other than a ruthless aggressor is a perfect example of fascists lying and deflecting.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

Zelenskyy literally said he wants Ukraine to be the Israel of Europe. There's not much you can point to on domestic policy in Russia that hasn't been implemented in Ukraine. Ukraine being controlled by a fascist billionaire (like Russia) doesn't change that millions of regular people are paying the price for Russia's invasion, which needs to be stopped with as little bloodshed as possible and the self-determination of the people in affected regions respected.