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This argument never made sense to me. The people who say that the new fascism will call itself antifascist also claim to be against fascism so this equals out. It just doesn't make sense as a gotcha. Antifa is demonstrably against fascistic politics and that's the gotcha if there is one
One comment I saw eons ago explained it, it went something like this
"Imagine theres a group called Team-No-Bad-Guy. They gather to yell to stop people doing bad guy things. You don't like those people that they yell at, but you don't like the non-yelling methods Team-No-Bad-Guy uses sometimes. Team-No-Bad-Guy hears you say this and calls you a bad guy and begin yelling at you. You realize that they can call anyone bad guys and you wonder how things would be for you after the big bad guys were gone."
This makes a lot of sense when talking about centralized organizations and movements like the French or Bolshevik revolution. There is a text called something like "why the Paris commune abolished the guillotine and so should we" describing how the guillotine was more and more used against anyone differing from "party line". Similar stories about Russia and for example Kronstadt.
A decentralized organization like antifa on the other hand doesn't have a party line. They can't gain domination over a state. There are individual groups that go rogue but they have no guillotine nor state apparatus and they are a minority within antifa
Don't worry, it's just because they're not arguing from a place of good faith. They are often not even serious or thoughtful enough to even understand that they're arguing in bad faith, it's just they have strong feelings and not enough capability to form logical arguments in their heads to fight their own discomfort with foreigners or people of color or having to respect people's gender identity. (It's almost ALWAYS about race or sex.)
This is why centrism is dead. There is no "middle ground" between having paralyzing hangups and emotion-driven policies and not having these things. Either you get incredibly sweaty and ashamed watching interracial cuckolding porn or you're chill and don't care. There is very little overlap.
That's because they're lying.
To me it seems at least kind of suspicious if someone has a shared hobby with fascists of sharing videos of people being assaulted or killed and talking about how much they deserved it, and are enforcing groupthink in a similar way. It feels like they are playing the same game and must share many of the same ways of thinking, even if they are nominally on different teams. Maybe that isn't what Antifa is really about, but people I've known who self identified with it have been like that. I worry that engaging with and relating to politics that way is all heading to a similar place regardless of on-paper beliefs, so the way this comic depicts a physical refusal to even acknowledge the thought is kind of chilling.
Hey dipshit. They are literally sending people to concentration camps right fucking now. Stop with this "but maybe in the future bullshit".
If you're not American I'll bet your country also has a growing fascist subset because just look at the state of politics the world over. We can talk about future fascists once we deal with the ones that are literally in front of us following the same playbook as last time.
I mean, you're wrong if you think I don't think these are urgent problems, being caused by fascists. If you're in a position to effectively resolve them, great, I will give credit to actions that qualify as stuff that is likely to actually work and not be counterproductive.
What I'm talking about is less urgent, but I don't think inadvertently contributing to fascist culture is the sort of thing that's a direct solution to urgent problems anyway.
Holy shit. You’re unironically being the guy behind the wall. Quick, Susan, where is my camera!?
Your opinion that nobody deserves to be killed is really rare, historically. King Arthur killed people. Achilles killed people. Moses killed people. Sun Wukong killed people. Superman is probably the first superhero in history who didn't regularly kill people.
What I'm saying is that people who celebrate violence are normal and your pacifism is a weird and hypocritical trend that won't be popular for very long.
George Washington understood that. He fought and sent people to their deaths for the freedom you now enjoy. Show some patriotism and appreciate the value of violence.
My point is more that being fixated on it in that way reflects a mindset that is the same as fascists.
The rest of your comment seems like some kind of joke which is a little funny with your username, but it's a serious topic so idk.
Here, maybe this will help. I found it just a few posts down:
The fascist mindset is about superiority, not violence. They're white supremacists. A violent mindset isn't a fascist mindset, it's just called being normal.
You should be more concerned with celebrating the violent deeds of the heroes who brought us our liberty. It's concerning that you don't love George Washington for all the Redcoats he killed.
Celebrating the deaths of authoritarians is one of those country's founding values.
Nah, those guys hate themselves, the idea they're superior is surface level cope. Look at the content right wing extremists are consuming and how they are using it; it's the emotional weight of violence being employed for self inflicted brain damage, dogmatic cult building through manipulation and artificial trauma eg. hazing.
Well, the left wing is about self-love. It's about gay pride, and worker solidarity. I'm part of a left wing cult, and our leader, Jesus Christ, tells us to love our neighbours and ourselves, and says we all have the power to move mountains. So I don't think you need to worry about our violence leading to fascism. It's right wing groups like capitalists and Christians (followers of Paul) you need to watch out for, because they teach self-hatred and then sell their followers superiority as the cure. Kind of like Zuko from Avatar when Iroh was explaining that his pride was the source of his shame.
Holy shit another guy who considers Paul to be a usurper! There must be dozens of us
Alright well your point is wrong.