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[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Such optimism that it wont be extended again.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Steamboat Willie, the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, will become public domain in literally 13 days.

[–] crit@links.hackliberty.org 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Only because it's not as important for them to keep it, they make a lot of money from other properties

[–] DrPop@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

It's not just about money, but their image. Nintendo does the exact same thing with fan games that make $0.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No, they can't extend any further. The copyright has a hard expiration at the end of 2023.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I remember thinking that in 1998 too. It is too late to extend copyright for Steamboat Willie before it expires but that does not mean that corps like Disney won be fighting tooth and nail to extend it again in a few years when things they actually care about are expiring.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 8 points 11 months ago

Yeah, Mickey is definitely going to be something they'll fight for in the future.

I don't find it probable they'll succeed in convincing Congress that copyright life should be significantly greater than a century, since that's nice and round and excessive, but we live in a corporation-first capitalist hellscape, so who knows?

[–] crit@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

They have, but they didn't. And it's not a foregone conclusion that they'd succeed. The longest copyright lifespan is currently 105 years from what I read, and I wonder if they could grease enough palms to convince people it should be longer than a century.

We're already in "excessively long" territory, and Congress still has a few reasonable people left, so I'm not convinced it would happen.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You can't just extend copyright indefinitely. It's not like a patent, where you can make minute changes and claim it's a new product. The original works have a copyright limit of 95 years after the first date of publish (thanks Disney and other corporate lobbyists).

If we go by The Return of the King, it was published in 1955. That means the words, the story, the settings, and the characters will be public domain in 2050. Steamboat Willie, on the other hand, was published in 1928. That means it expires at the end of this year. Unless Disney can convince Congress to change copyright law again, these copyrights all have hard expiration dates.

ETA: Disney might have a case where they can claim copyright on the information they added or changed from the original works, just like how they can still claim copyright over Mickey after losing Steamboat Willie.

And I'm sure they will, because fuck society, amirite? /s

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Works made for hire are 95 years from publication. LotR is not a work for hire, so it goes by life of the author plus 75 years. It goes public domain in 2044.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

They already do. Winnie the Pooh is public domain but not Disneys version the one everyone thinks of.