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[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Sometimes it feels like every time an American laments the shitty state of our country someone has to come along to remind us that it has always been shitty to make us feel worse.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Because you're not, you're lamenting the shitty state of Trump. If he was gone or not here, you would not be here commenting on the shitty state of your country at all.

And how about instead of feeling bad about your history, you learn from it, recognise it's an issue that goes far beyond Trump and fight to ensure it never repeats itself?

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You do understand that there are massive protests going on around the country right now? Telling a single person you don't know that they should fight to fix their country does nothing, we already know the country is fucked.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And do you blame Trump for fucking your country or do you accept your country was fucked before Trump and will remain fucked after Trump?

Dude you're on lemmy there ain't that many folks who would disagree with the observation that Trump isnt the source, but you're missing the tree for the forest. To use an analogy we are looking at a crackhead pouring diesel on a massive trash pile and rather than focusing on stopping the crackhead from starting a massive inferno you are accusing folks of incompetents because they want to focus on the crackhead rather than discuss the massive trash pile that predates everyone present.

Yes Trump is a symptom but he is also an accelerant who is making a shit situation far far worse. He is piss turned into white phosphorus. We could discuss the source issue for decades and never come to a conclusion, was it Bush, or Reagan, or Nixon, or Wilson, or the failures of reconstruction, or even the founding of the Virginia colony to begin with, but that doesn't really matter whatever the sources a lot of them are dead and buried the best we can do is deal with the problem in front of us.