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On loving / hating America. (lemmy.starlightkel.xyz)

submitted 5 days ago by thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz to c/usa@midwest.social

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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't know a single soldier who served in Afghanistan or Iraq that feels we served any noble purpose by being there

OK, so why were any of you there in the first place?

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because Bush. Frankly thought he and his administration should've been tried for war crimes and shit but we don't allow our leaders to be held accountable. We often don't allow even our soldiers to be held accountable. But then, what country allows their leadership to be held accountable? If you're lucky once someone is out of office they will be tried for corruption, we won't don't even do that.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The whole point of the US military is to bully, invade and bomb other countries, by joining you by definition become complicit. Clinton was already bombing Iraq, you can't play the "I didn't realize there'd be a war" card.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The whole point of the US military is to bully, invade and bomb other countries

Also self defense, defense of allies, often humanitarian missions. You're flat out wrong here.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who's realistically going to attack the US? Afghanistan and Iraq weren't self-defense, there's no argument for justifying them.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Who's realistically going to attack the US?

What is it about the US that makes it so unassailable?