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On loving / hating America. (lemmy.starlightkel.xyz)

submitted 2 weeks ago by thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz to c/usa@midwest.social

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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I dont love any nation because thats a fucking weird thing to do

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago

If nation means the government, the social order, the economic structure, even the cultural trappings... yes.

If nation means home... no.

Your home requires your care - it needs you, as much as you need it. It will not improve if you do not care for it.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree. Feeling a strong emotion for a nation is a perfectly reasonable and human thing to do. Not that I'm trying to change your mind... just saying I don't feel that way. :)

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah i know im the odd one out. It's nothing new.

Im an anarchist in the Bible Belt so... im good without any patriotism thanks.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm an anarchist who's only lived in VERY blue places (including angry blue places, like Oakland). I imagine if I'd had a lot of exposure to that kind of environment, I'd have some pretty different feelings about the definition of patriotism too.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Thats fair. I've been watching Republicans froth at the mouth since 9/11 while they keep getting poorer and dying of addiction. It leaves a taste.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

youre an "anarchist" who "loves america"

buddy i think you should do some reading about your own country. maybe some reading about the ideology you supposedly hold. i believe these things are in total conflict with one another.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, obviously my point of view is just simplified like that and isn't nuanced at all and jumping straight into trying to start leftest infighting is a great use of both our emotional energy. :)