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[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're the one who's claiming people's existence is illegal. I'm saying that everyone deserves due process. Being legal doesn't make something moral. Just ask Holocaust survivors.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope, literally never said that.

They’re here illegally. They’re illegal inmigrwnts.

“Everyone deserves”

Oh well, the law disagrees.

What are the two LEGAL exceptions to due process regarding deporting illegal immigrants?

And what SHOULD happen to people that break into another country, since you think deportation shouldn’t be it?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do you keep trying to change the subject, and why do you keep claiming ICE agents are "illegals?"

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven’t change the subject once, nor am I saying ICE agents are illegal.

I’m talking about the folks who broke into the US illegally.

So again, what SHOULD happen to folks who break into this country?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This conversation is about ICE agents, not undocumented immigrants.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope, I was talking about illegal immigrants.

And the two LEGAL exceptions to due process.

What are they?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow, you really are bad at this! You know there's a written record, right?

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And?

Nothing I said is inconsistent?

What SHOULD the penalty be for people who broke into this country?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You keep trying to change the subject to undocumented immigrants, but this conversation isn't about that. It's about people who work for ICE. Or are you claiming that ICE agents are undocumented immigrants?

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nope, and you’re being wildly bad faith.

Here’s, let’s fix this:

  • ICE aren’t illegal immigrants

  • ICE is deporting illegal immigrants.

  • Still waiting on you to demonstrate that you know enough basic civics to know what the two legal exceptions to due process are for deportations of illegal imnigrants. Who, as we’ve established, aren’t ICE.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

ICE aren’t illegal immigrants

Great, thanks for establishing that we both agree that (at least as far as we're aware) ICE isn't made up of undocumented immigrants. Therefore the topic of what to do with undocumented immigrants is irrelevant to this conversation.

Now we can get back to the meat of the issue: what to do with ICE agents.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

“ICE isn’t made up of illegal immigrants”

Yep, never said otherwise and I have literally zero idea how you’d ever take that from what I said, since it makes zero sense.

“ICE”

What are the two legal exceptions to due process exist?

Which ICE is then legally enforcing?

Do you consider yourself informed if you don’t know the applicable laws?

“What to do with ICE”

Yes, what should we do with them?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Cool, so you do understand that immigration law isn't the right framework for determining what to do with ICE agents. Why do you keep asking irrelevant questions then?

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It’s not irrelevant, it’s hard to associate ICE with the SS when you can’t even site what the law even is.

So again, what are the two legal exceptions to due process regarding deport illegal immigrants?

And I can walk and chew bubblegum. What should be done with ICE agents?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You can't even show that you're competent enough to show why your question is relevant, and yet you expect me to prove myself? Try again dude.

And I've already answered what I think should be done with ICE agents. My answer of "due process" was that sent you off into this irrelevant discussion in the first place.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

So you’re ignorant of the law regarding due process.

“Due process”

You don’t know what due process applies to illegal immigrants.

What due process for ICE agents would you like to see and under what charge?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Refusing to answer your irrelevant questions doesn't make me ignorant of the topic.

Do you think ICE agents deserve due process? Why or why not?

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

“Ignorant”

Right, so what are the two legal exceptions to due process?

“Deserve due process”

So far you can’t even tell me what due process means in the context of this conversation.

And if ICE agents were arrested for some reason, they should be afforded a fair trial, since there’s no legal exception there.

And what would they be tried for, exactly? And what should the penalty be?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Wait... Are you repeatedly asking me this because you don't know and are desperate to find out? You do know that search engines exist to help you with this, right? You don't have to pathetically beg some stranger to do your research for you.

I asked a simple yes or no question. Do you believe ICE agents deserve due process?

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, just curious if you’re informed or ignorant on the topic.

So far you seem ignorant and yet highly opinionated.

“ICE”

I literally already answered this. If ICE agents were arrested for some reason, they should get a fair trial. There aren’t legal exceptions like there are with deportations.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You seem like you're desperate to find this out because someone else asked you and you don't know how to use DuckDuckGo. Otherwise you wouldn't be insistent on bringing up that irrelevant question.

I'm glad we've established that we both agree that ICE agents deserve due process. It took far longer than I expected to get agreement on that simple topic out of you.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, I’m just showing how you have no clue what you’re even talking about. Because you don’t even know what the law says.

Prove me wrong.

“Due process”

You don’t know what due process means?

And what would be the charge, exactly?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Lol ok really are desperate aren't you? Unfortunately, pathetic berating isn't going to make me do your research for you. Search engines exist. You can use one to answer your own question at any time.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

lol, ok, you really are ignorant, aren’t you?

And yes, search engines do exist.

So what are the two legal exceptions to due process regarding deportations?

Need a hint?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Cool, so go ahead and use one and stop harassing me.

[–] Shay20@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If you’re this ignorant on the law you’re claiming is being violated, why are you here? Don’t vote.

And here’s a hint.

One of them rhymes with “Undivided approval”.

If you can’t figure this out, why are you even commenting on something you don’t even understand?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Shay20@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

So you can’t answer and don’t know.

You’re really bad at this.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I don't answer irrelevant questions from harassers. Stop harassing me.