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Over the past few years I have gone through a bunch of different apps and protocols to find the best one for "securely" communicating with my family and friends.

I ended up with the amazing XMPP protocol and my family/friends frequently use its clients to contact me.

Monal for IOS and Cheogram/Conversations/Quicksy for Android. The android app I install depends on if I can get F-Droid on their phone or not.

It's been great with OMEMO encryption and the clients/apps available for XMPP. But sometimes I have issues introducing people to it.

Jabber (friendly name for xmpp) sounds silly to say. The clients all have weird names. And after trying the Signal mobile app it feels more focused than what anyone in the XMPP community has whipped up.

But the capabilities of XMPP makes it better.

Signal Cons (immediete)

  • Centralized
  • Single app
  • Phone numbers

XMPP/Jabber Cons

  • Picking server
  • Apps are sort of less friendly

What really scares me about Signal is the centralization. Any nerd can easily host an XMPP server these days. But Signal from what I've heard really wants us to use their server.

If XMPP gets more attention I'm sure we can get people supporting projects and creating better apps.

I keep seeing people recommended Signal instead.

This is a bit of a tired ramble. What I wanna know is why anyone is preferring Signal over XMPP apps. I assume it might be not knowing about it. Tell me what you use to message people.

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[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If I could get a single person to use Signal instead of Whatsapp... or even the nerds I know to use matrix instead of Discord...

[–] TurkeyDurkey@piefed.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

There two kinds of nerds. Ones that are actually curious to try new things, and ones that conform and sully the name. It's like tech bros vs real IT professionals.

[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 4 points 12 hours ago

I think the slightly more charitable division is "nerds who want to work on the tool" vs "nerds who want to use the tool to work on something else"

Some people want their discord chat to work with little effort or errors because what they're actually interested in is some video editor, or something. And if the chat is broken, it prevents then from getting to what they really want.

I personally use XMPP, so this isn't just to clear my own name, or anything.