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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And liberals will argue that not voting for them is why Americans are in this mess. That Harris would have done none of this.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 44 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Liberals do care about aesthetics, so to be fair, I really don't think it would be this bad under the Dems right now. But the problem is they contributed to this atmosphere by joining in the Trump campaign and demonizing immigrants. Instead of saying it wasn't a problem, they were saying we'll solve it better than those guys.

The funny thing is Trump campaign also cares about aesthetics but in the opposite way. Even if it's less effective in reducing crime or unemployment, Trump supporters want to see their government out there terrorizing people in huge fascistic displays, as opposed to the quiet behind the scenes deportations of Biden. Trump signals he's listening to his supporters in this way while the Dems are constantly telling their supporters to shut up, we're working on it in the back room with the experts. "We're serious people and thus work slow and steady." It's stupid and horrifying, but Trump is making their government do things in big flashy ways that make headlines.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 14 points 17 hours ago

They did the same thing in 2004. The lib answer to the War on Terror was to nominate John Kerry to report for duty rat-salute-2 and wage these internationally condemned wars “the right way.”

Fuckin bipartisan foreign policy consensus

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 29 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Right the Dems do it in a more orderly less dramatic more routine fashion. BUT and this must be pointed out to liberals they build the scaffolding, the machinery, the apparatus necessary to support this kind of naked brutality that Republicans seek to do. They could instead tear down the scaffolding and apparatus but they don't. They expand it, they give it more money, they give it approval for spyware vendor contracts and access to mass surveillance tools, they give it military gear, training, etc.

They're the cop standing back looking the other way while his buddies beat you with truncheons.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 4 points 8 hours ago

I'll never forget Obama signing some law "with reservations", or something like that. Maybe it was one of the spy ones? He might have actually done it with a few now that I think about it. But the point was, he expressed concerns, but still signed the damn thing, and of course it's been used by Trump to do heinous shit.

Found it. It allowed indefinite detentions.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago

Dems build the mechsuit, then hand off the keys to the republicans who put a big klan hood on it and take it out for a spin while they stand aside shaking their heads to show that they disapprove

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 23 points 22 hours ago

dems would have been more polite about it and liberals would ignore it because it would be quiet and by the book. at least (and it's not really a comfort) liberals cannot ignore this.

as always, letter from a birmingham jail.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 12 points 20 hours ago

Sure, domestically it seems that way. It doesn’t seem much different at all when you’re living in a country a lot of those migrants come from and continue seeing a number of them being deported back where locals harrass them.

[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It probably wouldn't be this bad, but mainly because they probably wouldn't be patrolling stormtroopers around in major cities to intimidate everyone, just deporting people quietly, and it sucks that they apparently didn't put a single barrier up to slow down the next Trump, which turned out to be Trump. It's hardly even a vote for harm reduction.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 2 points 5 hours ago

I said in 2020 and stand by it now, Trump beating Biden was the harm reduction path. We could’ve had just 4 more years of Trump.

Instead we let Biden do 4 years of Trump while actual Trump and his team were able to regroup and plan.