If you have something to say, then I invite you to, otherwise it seems more like you don't and can't, and instead resort to insult to cover for that. It's just standard ad hominem.

[+] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works -16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If we want to be formal about it, you've just asserted a bunch of no sense claims without evidence. Go ahead and show us concretely the control the Chinese working class have over their political system.

And maybe not with polls that include people under 24/7 surveillance by the party.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 16 points 2 days ago

The evidence has been provided as infinitum, if you could be bothered.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago

For the PRC, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and governs the large firms and key industries.

China's state-run industry

The working class is steadily advancing in material conditions, and as production develops it is increasingly planned. A bourgeois state would not allow capital to be so constrained and boxed in, and at the same time a state cannot be anything other than an extension of the ruling class. In China, this class has been the working class since the revolution, and it is backed up by the fact that the CPC is supported by over 90% of the population. This support is consistent even when western orgs gather the polling.

Perceptions of democracy index

The PRC certainly isn't much farther than the primary stage of socialism, as they call it, but already aspects of the intermediate stage are appearing. Reality more closely aligns with the CPC's stated goals and strategies than it does their critics, which is why most ML orgs back China and consider it socialist right now.

Cheng Enfu's stages of socialism diagram

People in China are under a similar level of surveilance as western countries, though unlike western countries this is mostly used against capitalists, so they cannot undermine the system.

None of my claims have been nonsense, the reverse is true.