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I appreciate this article and Cory Doctorow.
But I will disagree that the AI bubble is structured enough like a traditional bubble to "pop" like how y'all expect. It's not like any bubble that has ever existed.
You know all those huge figures about investments you hear? That's not just debt and low interest lending. That's real cash investments in many cases. So unlike the Dot Com bubble, we currently don't have a third of the stock market over leveraged on pretend money. We don't have people building data centers on spec, like railroads to nowhere, they're booked out before the ground is broken. Data centers and power generation are IRL investments that are needed whether it's for AI use or not.
Also, there aren't a smaller set of goods everyone is after, like paying $1 million for toys.com, a URL never worth anything close to the hype. It's a wide open field of AI use cases, and while enterprise pilots are struggling to provide immediate results (no, the 97% of pilots fail figure is not technically accurate), agentic workflows are what consulting firms like KPMG are pushing hard. The rate of use case development is changing as fast as all the rest of it is, so nothing had reached close to a plateau yet. So banking on the 1:1 job replacement theory really ignores the insider view of how large corporate structures are already pushing adoption.
It's like 5 (or maybe 15) sets of overlapping concentric circles that are themselves bubbles, and 2 of them are solid right now, and so far 2 are not anything like a bubble ready to pop. The other 4 will keep the 5th propped up long enough to not feel the effects across the entire economy. Or that 12 of the 15 will prevent immediate issues as 3 of them founder.
All bubble popping will get you is consolidation anyway to MS and Google.
Well said, and I think a good comparison (and something Doctorow has brought up before) is that the dot-com bubble built a ton of infrastructure and fiber networks that were later able to be utilized. He sort of touched on this when he said "Plan for a future where you can buy GPUs for ten cents on the dollar".
That all said, as Ed Zitron is oft to highlight, something like 30% of the value of the SNP 500 is in "AI" right now. Even a relatively small pop could lead to more widespread repercussions.
Yeah, I've heard more in depth analysis of phased GPU use plans for up to 3-5 years of life that account for all this. I think planning for GPUs for cents on the dollar is planning to own a dollar store after 3-5 regular supermarkets have run their course in a neighborhood for 20+ years. It's not a way to reasonably look at this.
True. Doctorow is not exactly one to restrain himself in lieu of a stinging hyperbole.