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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Well, I mean, the states is pretty close at this point to declaring things like the pride flag as hate symbols. Heck, our own Canadian government is already incredibly wishy washy on the Palestinian flag. A law that says it's illegal / jailable to wave a flag with symbols the government doesn't approve of, is dangerous -- especially when you view the current conflict not as a left vs right thing, but rather as an authoritarian vs individualism/egalitarianism thing.

Something like Carney's "national projects" bills, which allow the govt to ignore various rights claims / environmental issues -- lots of liberals justify it by giving Carney the benefit of the doubt. But that legislation isn't set to expire / be reviewed until sometime midway through the next govts term. Will those people who supported Carney still think it's so great if those powers end up in the hands of PP's Trump-style conservatives? Or have the liberals intentionally tried to set it up as a gift to the conservatives, so that the liberals can then run a "shock and dismay!" campaign for the next cycle, a game of political shenanigans that treats Canadian's rights like a game piece? Who knows.

We're seeing a very clear example of the government redefining what's "hate speech" south of the border currently. It'd be silly not to learn from the US's folly.

Legislation brought in by the current liberal government, while appealing to some liberal supporters, would likely make them scream if the powers were instead given to the conservatives. But the bigger problem in some ways is that both of those parties are aiming for increasingly authoritarian approaches.

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

That's why I drew the distinction between banning things the government doesn't approve of and banning Nazi symbolism. The former is a risk to freedom of expression, but the latter is just hate speech, and south of the border (heck, even here with the KKKonvoy) is a perfect example of where the line should have been drawn w.r.t. that.

And just to be clear, I'm not defending the bill - I'll criticising the examples that the article used.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I don't agree with attempting to rationalize bad legislation, even if the specific example used by the journalist / source is a bit weak or unclear.

Your bringing in the "KKKonvoy" is a good example of why. I don't think it's accurate to draw a parallel between everyone who supported that, and white supremacy. Similarly, I don't think anyone with a Palestinian flag is a Hammas supporter -- but there are many who do, likely enough that the cons would add it to the list. Allowing government / media to dictate what symbols are good/bad, is authoritarian.

In regards to the example used specifically though, there's a reason for it I reckon. Legislation is often written with different intentions / examples and attempts by politicians to clarify what they mean -- which's likely why they're using the nazi examples as part of it. The source is noting that it's how it's written now but that it can change based on the discretion of various groups. Ie. They hold up a sign saying "We're against Nazis!" to make people ok with the authoritarian push; later that legislation can be changed to "women's rights activists are femi-Nazis! Add em to the list!". And while that may sound 'crazy', again, we have a literal contemporary example to the south.

Even more, you're focusing on an example fairly late in an article cautioning about authoritarian creep, but the subject of that example is fairly tertiary to the point of the article.