this post was submitted on 09 Oct 2023
48 points (92.9% liked)

Privacy

32111 readers
622 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
48
Please, do not use Brave. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
 

I have seen many people in this community either talking about switching to Brave, or people who are actively using Brave. I would like to remind people that Brave browser (and by extension their search engine) is not privacy-centric whatsoever.

Brave was already ousted as spyware in the past and the company has made many decisions that are questionable at best. For example, Brave made a cryptocurrency which they then added to a rewards program that is built into the browser to encourage you to enable ads that are controlled by Brave.

Edit: Please be aware that the spyware article on Brave (and the rest of the browsers on the site) is outdated and may not reflect the browser as it is today.

After creating this cryptocurrency and rewards program, they started inserting affiliate codes into URL's. Prior to this they had faked fundraising for popular social media creators.

Do these decisions seem like ones a company that cares about their users (and by extension their privacy) would make? I'd say the answer is a very clear no.

One last thing, Brave illegally promoted an eToro affiliate program making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.

Edit: To the people commenting saying how Brave has a good out-of-the-box experience compared to other browsers, yes, it does. However, this is not a warning for your average person, this is a warning for people who actively care about their privacy and don't mind configuring their browser to maximize said privacy.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

For the comments, can anyone give me an actual reason to use Brave over Firefox (and it's forks)? I guess the cryptocurrency aspect is a reason, but I wouldn't say it's a very good one.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

That's actually one of the reasons I do not use Brave.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't want to support Mozilla, for a lot of reason I don't have the time or the will to discuss here. Is that enough for you? It is for me.

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You either support Google or support Mozilla. Supporting Mozilla leads to a safer internet for all.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It's cute how people sincerely believe Mozilla PR.

[–] gogosempai@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On iOS, unlike Android, Firefox doesn't come with extensions. No ads are blocked. Even if I use Safari and Adguard extension, it doesn't block YouTube ads. Brave works like a charm in this regard. I've opted out of all telemetry stuff that I could find, and btw even Firefox opts into everything by default. Any other open source browser you can suggest that blocks ads including YouTube on iOS?

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On iOS use Orion Browser by Kagi. As for blocking ads in YouTube, you can use AltStore to sideload a YouTube app with sponsorblock and ad block built in.

(Orion might block YouTube ads, I haven't tested it)

[–] whysofurious@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I can confirm Orion blocks Youtube ads (might need to tweak options). As for youtube app, no need to sideload anything, Yattee is on the app store and on testflight for betas (https://github.com/yattee/yattee/wiki/Installation-Instructions)

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox is actually NOT a private browser. I don't know where it gets this reputation because clearly those people haven't read their privacy policy where it plainly states that they gather and sell your info to a data mining company.

For better or worse, Chromium browsers work better because the vast majority of people use Chromium so that's how people build their sites.

Brave has tons of privacy features and settings. Including built-in ad-blocking just like uBlock so your extensions can't be used to fingerprint you.

If you want a private browser and insist on but using Chromium there are dozens of Firefox forks that are much better for privacy.

If the (supposedly) privacy preserving ads and crypto really upset you, you can simply turn them off.

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn't a reason to use Brave, this is just a reason to not use stock Firefox.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's really not a difference. At the end of the day you need a browser so a reason not to use one is not terribly different from a reason TO use another. And the one that constantly gets recommended in these communities is Firefox, which is not as bad as Chrome but still worse than just about any privacy-preserving browser out there.

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people recommend forks of Firefox, or Firefox with modifications to make it more privacy-centric. I don't think anyone recommends stock Firefox (it's spyware).

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Most people recommend forks of Firefox

Not around here they don't.

[–] Matomo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

My guess is because Brave is a relatively known Chromium browser that's been degoogled. Along with built in ad and tracker blocking, and it's an easy less evil of the two.

I want to like Firefox, both as normal user and as web developer, but something about it keeps bugging me. The UI feels sluggish, sites seem to be slightly less performant, and I can't seem to get used to it.

That said, I've started using Vivaldi, and while it can be considered bloated, I really like the tab options it has, while also offering a degoogled chromium that's being kept to date.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave is better out of the box than Firefox

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

Not by much...