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Afiak, they are still leaving in the ADB option to install non-Google apps, for now.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Or use a ROM (grapheneos, e, lineage, etc)

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

AFAIK Graphene is Pixel-only (and only those still currently supported by GOOG), and I'm given to understand eOS is insecure AF. Add in locked-down bootloaders having become so common, there needs to be a better answer.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and I’m given to understand eOS is insecure AF.

This is not entirely accurate. People involved with Graphene have been caught spreading misinformation about /e/ and Calyx many times. The head dev himself is severely paranoid, to the point he makes wild accusations against anyone who doesn't agree with him.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/53385640

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

e os is not less secure than any other Android. Maybe Graphene is better in that regard but that's literally the point of it. e should be fine for all normal Android usage.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

"Better answer" means "enforce antitrust and consumer protection law to punish corporations for attempting to usurp device owners' property rights."

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 month ago

I'm open to the better answer - what is it?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm saying this as a general strategy for everyone. Roms basically require a PC, and a lot of people nowadays do not have one.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'd venture a guess that most people who know what Graphene OS is probably own a PC of some sort.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lol I haven't used a PC in years mostly because of money problems, because Android mostly functions as a computer, I mean torrenting, VLC, uBlock Origin... I didn't even need a PC, and again money issues, so i only had a phone as my main "computer". Only recently got a SteamDeck and its my only PC.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah, feel like most techy people who go out of there way to install a custom rom are going to have a PC in some capacity. Its those that don't have a PC, but set up a custom rom that is more rare to see.

Those who only have phones I'd guess are those who tend to be less tech savvy, but not always. But, phone only people probably on average don't know file systems with everything just being apps.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Are you very young or a NEET or something?

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can use Graphene's web installer in a chromium based browser, even from another Android phone if you have one. So they don't necessarily require a full blown PC. You can even do it from your steamdeck, if you were so inclined.