But every time something big, and totally predictable given Americas political climate, happens y'all go full conspiracy. Not everything is a government plot, remember the simplest explanation is often the right one.

This guy probably did it and is sorta stupid it seems.

[–] SeizeTheBeans@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I would just say to consider Chapo_is_Red's response and then Nopeace's response to that in this same thread. And OP's response, "could be true for all we know." It could be. But that's the problem. The narrative on any given event is so openly and nakedly just an agenda that doesn't even need to have a tangential relationship to reality, so our best bet at landing somewhere within the realm of truth is to first assess who benefits from the story as it is being presented. It might be true, but it's on equal footing with all the so-called conspiracy theories because that's all any of it is anymore, an ocean of spin. It's not that feds weren't always compulsive liars because of course they were, but the lesson there isn't that they can be taken at their word like most people used to do before the post-truth era, it's that we never should have trusted them about anything to begin with. But we should even less now because it is a lot worse than it used to be, where they practically flaunt how batshit they can be with the media fully on board no matter how contradictory the shifting narrative gets in comparison to what it was the day before and vast swathes of the public will eat it whole because their team is the faction currently pushing it.

You're right, not everything is a government plot. But everything they say is a narrative they're pushing, and it may or may not have any relationship with reality. If it is true, you have to ask how they benefit from actually telling the truth this time.

[–] zipper@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

our best bet at landing somewhere within the realm of truth is to first assess who benefits from the story as it is being presented.

the trans roommate, "kirk is full of hate", the bella ciao and "hey fascist catch!". there's a reason why the current narrative is so hyperfocused on these things. it all plays into the recently propped up agenda of transgender people being "inherently violent" which is the card they always like to pull when it comes to minorities. someway, somehow the feds will find a way to pin at least some responsibility on said roommate just for the crime of being trans under a regime that's dead set in causing as much pain to the trans community as possible. even the legal documents that mention the trans roommate go out of their way to misgender her. but on the other side of the spectrum, you go to places like twitter and their conspiracy fanfiction it makes the feds look sane in comparison. it truly boggles the mind at how there will always be a subset of people that will bend over backwards to draw parallels where there aren't any to use a man's murder to further subjugate a minority they hate.

probably the most batshit theory i've come across so far was about...

potentially triggering

...the island on tyler's wallpaper. apparently there's a restaurant (?) named valhalla on the island. some individuals immediately linked that to patel doing his weird viking larp at the arrest announcement fbi conference, and then determined that somehow that larp is a hint that the murder was set up by the government to do ???

people will see what they want to see. that's how our brains are wired. we intrinsically seek out a set of patterns we've grown accustomed to in everything we come across. people on hexbear saw the "bella ciao" and the helldivers references and immediately assumed that the kid was a groyper. on the other hand, 4chan saw the "OwO what's this?" and brought out an arsenal of slurs to call tyler. that's how the ball rolls. i guess things haven't really changed in that regard. i doubt the truth about the vietnam war made headlines back in the day. but back then the issue with information exchange was how limited it was. nowadays, the issue is how unlimited it all is. there's so much information about everything that eventually the truth just gets drowned out by hours upon hours of useless commentary, cracked theories and misinformation pumped out by AI and malicious actors. there is simply too much of everything. anyone can go online and make a claim, and no matter how absolutely insane it is, it will find its audience and become someone's mantra of what really happened.

conspiracies are symptoms of a system which routinely bullshits the people. all we can really do as individuals is learn how to pick apart hidden agendas in the tainted information we're fed and draw our own conclusions.

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