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‘I have to do it’: Why one of the world’s most brilliant AI scientists left the US for China
(www.theguardian.com)
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No, I haven't. Have you? To live or to work? Can you share your experiences that make you feel it's laughable?
Yes, I have, although my experience is mostly limited to Beijing with a bit of time spent elsewhere. Housing is at least as expensive (relative to wages) as it is in a typical western city, despite there being graveyards of unfinished apartment blocks everywhere just outside the 5th ring road. This isn't getting into the brutal working hours and mediocre wages, lack of free healthcare, etc etc. It isn't really any better than the US (not that the US are good, they're just bad in somewhat different ways)
Oh and I somehow failed to mention Evergrande! This is a far better example than any of my anecdotal data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_property_sector_crisis_(2020%E2%80%93present)
Thanks for sharing, it's great to hear different perspectives on these things as it feels like they aren't so often discussed by normal people.
It's hard even for people in China to discuss this amongst themselves, so that's understandable. I do recommend visiting though - it's still a beautiful country, and the people are far friendlier and more welcoming than I had expected (I thought they'd be very reserved)