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This is actually a philosophical problem. I think it's the parable of pacifism, if I remember right? Basically, the advocacy for total pacifism and acceptance of all groups doesn't work if one group is specifically advocating for the death of the others because then there's a net loss.
So yes. No nazis. Period.
It's called the "Paradox of Tolerance" if we are tolerant of all including the intolerant than intolerance will eventually win out and eliminate tolerance, therefore society should not tolerate the intolerant.
It's the paradox of tolerance and it's bullshit. Daryl Davis has converted more KKK members talking to them than anyone has with a fist.
Edit to add: killing Nazis doesn't defeat fascism. You can kill people with weapons, but words are the armaments of ideas. You want to kill an idea, it's through words.
World War 2 would like to disagree with you. Fist and guns are very effective at dealing with Nazis.
Oh snap, Nazis all died in ww2? Fuck why didn't these guys get the memo?
People died in the war. Some of them were Nazis. But NAZIS themselves did not die. You can't kill an IDEA by killing people. You kill an idea with better ideas, with kinder words, and with more compassion.
Kill all nazis. 🤷
The amount of nazi sympathizers in this thread is too damn high.
"we should have a polite chat with them as they work to genocide everyone they don't like" no thanks.
This thread IS full of a bunch of psychopaths, but it's not the ones advocating for not-violence.
By all means, if someone's already getting, or in imminent danger of becoming, violent, do what you have to to stop that. Anything else and you're a murderous psycho.
It's not about converting nazis. First off, I've heard that he supposedly has a 95% success rate and I'd call that bullshit for basically anyone claiming a 95% success rate. Secondly, fuck nazis. Once you throw in on murder of innocents you're no longer innocent.
"oh that's not very tolerant of you!" neither is your burning of crosses and donating your money to defend people who strung people up in trees 🤷
My? Careful, don't make such bold assumptions. Nazis suck, I'm with you on that. But do you actually not see the issues with what you said? Why are we assuming the individual has done something to hurt anyone, rather than just have some less-than-savory beliefs? It's all very convenient, using the sins of a few in a group you hate to blame the whole group, right? I'd hate it if anyone else decided they hated a group enough to wish every member dead because of some small populations shitty actions. It's a bit thought policey, and a lot fucking insane.
First off, I was very specific in my condemnations. Re-read my comment instead of using your reflexive pro-nazi mentality.
Second off, the nazis aren't a loose blanket grouping of ideologies. They had a specific mindset, with a specific goal. I'm willing to play with the idea that "boots on the ground" soldiers were just taking a paycheck, but anybody ideologically onboard was so specifically for one reason and one alone.
It's only "thought policey" in the way that you can be charged for having a murder vision board of your ex laid out with their movements and company all laid out for the perfect murder. No, you HAVEN'T committed a crime but all signs point to "You're gonna commit a crime."
TLDR: Fuck you if you don't want to get yoked up for being a nazi, don't put in with nazis. 🤷
It's a shit argument and it's ABSOLUTELY thought policing. You can't say someone will do something until there's been something done. It's just not how things work. Yes, that includes if they strongly believe that any specific group of people should be killed, for any reason, unless they've ACTUALLY KILLED A PERSON OR MADE AN ATTEMPT. Anything short of that? That's called thought policing bud.
Unless you're not talking modern-day Nazis. If you're just talking about the WW2 Nazis that actively rounded up Jews and didn't see any problems with it, well... Yeah, we went to war over that. It was one of the few good reasons for a conflict. That's dead and done.
Your entire argument is we're not allowed to so much as CRITICIZE a nazi until they commit a genocide, regardless of the fact that they already did that once.
Eat my whole ass, you murderous nazi piece of shit.
Who said anything about not criticizing them? Jesus you are unhinged. The fuck you think I'm doing everywhere else? Making actual fucking arguments about why Nazis are bad, not just spouting "kill people kill people!"
Do you want to END Nazis or do you just want to be able to KILL Nazis?